G25 резултати

[Imoćanin]

Мислим да је Krakauer само стабилнији јер се ради о десетак узорака, а AV2 је само један. Иначе су доста слични, AV2 је вјероватно исто неизмјешани миграторни Словен, док је њезина кћерка АV1 на пола локални Панонац.

Da, ali zavisa šta podrazumjevaš pod "Panonac". Meni izgleda da je otac AV1 bio iz mješanog braka Slav/Norikum:

Target: HUN_Avar_Szolad:Av1 (kćer)
Distance: 1.6198% / 0.01619820
76.4   DEU_MA_Krakauer_Berg
21.6   SVN_Emona
2.0   SRB_Roman

Target: HUN_Avar_Szolad:Av2 (majka)
Distance: 2.7997% / 0.02799750
99.8   DEU_MA_Krakauer_Berg
0.2   SRB_Roman

[Никац]

Da, ali zavisa šta podrazumjevaš pod "Panonac". Meni izgleda da je otac AV1 bio iz mješanog braka Slav/Norikum:

Target: HUN_Avar_Szolad:Av1 (kćer)
Distance: 1.6198% / 0.01619820
76.4   DEU_MA_Krakauer_Berg
21.6   SVN_Emona
2.0   SRB_Roman

Target: HUN_Avar_Szolad:Av2 (majka)
Distance: 2.7997% / 0.02799750
99.8   DEU_MA_Krakauer_Berg
0.2   SRB_Roman

Нисам сад за компјутером, али колико се сјећам може се моделирати 50/50 са Szolad Langobard просјеком и неким од панонских Сармата (transtisza ili Danube-Tisza)

[Imoćanin]

Нисам сад за компјутером, али колико се сјећам може се моделирати 50/50 са Szolad Langobard просјеком и неким од панонских Сармата (transtisza ili Danube-Tisza)

Možda, ali bi me baš iznenadilo. Pošto znamo da je AV2 majka ovo je šta ostaje za tog dida ili babu sa očeve strane:

Target: HUN_Avar_Szolad:Av1
Distance: 1.5110% / 0.01510967
73.6   HUN_Avar_Szolad
26.4   SVN_Emona

[Никац]

Možda, ali bi me baš iznenadilo. Pošto znamo da je AV2 majka ovo je šta ostaje za tog dida ili babu sa očeve strane:

Target: HUN_Avar_Szolad:Av1
Distance: 1.5110% / 0.01510967
73.6   HUN_Avar_Szolad
26.4   SVN_Emona

Мислио сам овако нешто.

0.015 HUN_Avar_Szolad:Av1 = 64% HUN_Avar_Szolad:Av2 + 36% HUN_Sarmatian_Late_Transtisza
0.015 HUN_Avar_Szolad:Av1 = 62% HUN_Avar_Szolad:Av2 + 38% HUN_MA_Szolad(Langobard)

Сад видим да и у овим моделима доста вуче на страну АV2. Можда је онда ипак АV1 само 1/4 локалац.

ово је иначе алат за 1+1 моделе
https://output.jsbin.com/gojecoh

[Imoćanin]

Мислио сам овако нешто.

0.015 HUN_Avar_Szolad:Av1 = 64% HUN_Avar_Szolad:Av2 + 36% HUN_Sarmatian_Late_Transtisza
0.015 HUN_Avar_Szolad:Av1 = 62% HUN_Avar_Szolad:Av2 + 38% HUN_MA_Szolad(Langobard)

Сад видим да и у овим моделима доста вуче на страну АV2. Можда је онда ипак АV1 само 1/4 локалац.

ово је иначе алат за 1+1 моделе
https://output.jsbin.com/gojecoh

Da, previše ostaje AV2 da otac nebi imao jakog slavenskog upliva. Pored toga mislim da AV1 nema nimalo azijatskog upliva.

Možemo se i malo poigrati sa koordinatima i pretpostaviti da je kćer (AV1) točno presijek majke i oca. Pa sa formulom otac=kći-(majka-kći) dobijemo za njega ove koordinate:

HUN_Avar_Szolad:Av1otac,0.126345,0.139128,0.040728,0.03553,0.036006,0.012829,0.006815,0.008077,-0.004295,-0.004738,-0.002111,-0.008543,-0.001636,0.006469,-0.002172,-0.000132,-0.007041,0.001521,-0.001006,0.007253,-0.001872,-0.008284,0.004683,0.000361999999999999,-0.003953

To bi izgledalo ovako:


Target: HUN_Avar_Szolad:Av1otac
Distance: 0.5414% / 0.00541365 | R5P
41.8   ITA_Chiusi_EMA
21.6   SWE_Gotland_VA
15.0   Baltic_EST_BA
13.8   SWE_LN_low_res
7.8   Bell_Beaker_England_low_res

A sa tvojim modelom:

Target: HUN_Avar_Szolad:Av1otac
Distance: 2.3938% / 0.02393780
52.8   DEU_MA_Krakauer_Berg
44.8   SVN_Emona
2.4   TUR_Marmara_Iznik_Y.kapi_Byz

Nešto slično sa K36 koordinatima je napravio Lukasz na Anthrogenici:

https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?15081-6th-c-Slavic-women-(Av1-Av2)-buried-according-to-the-custom-of-the-Avars&p=469255&viewfull=1#post469255

[Malisori]

Мој резултат

[Душан]

Код: [Изабери]

DEU_MA_Krakauer_Berg,0.1292408,0.1278645,0.0744299,0.0667435,0.0442321,0.0231226,0.0087166,0.012545,-0.0003718,-0.0232598,-0.00248,-0.0092645,0.0149742,0.0188792,-0.0083037,0.0013741,0.0066141,-0.0015894,0.0034395,0.003297,-0.0047075,-0.0031365,0.0046274,-0.0053785,0.0002395
HRV_EMA_Byzantine,0.1154355,0.1479288,0.0068825,-0.0278049,0.0215679,-0.012643,0.0006267,0.0002501,0.0032212,0.0207293,-0.0007172,0.0055577,-0.0124378,-0.0015941,-0.0089237,0.0011823,0.0068452,-0.0021643,0.0030065,-0.0046376,-0.0064781,0.0000824,-0.0012325,0.0013958,-0.0000998
TUR_Marmara_Iznik_Y.kapi_Byz,0.1094976,0.1490798,-0.0235326,-0.0587214,0.0054164,-0.0253232,0.000517,-0.0043384,-0.004786,0.0215038,-9.74e-05,0.003117,-0.0048462,0.0014862,-0.0170464,-0.0010872,0.0056584,0.0004306,0.0076426,-0.0054026,-0.005091,0.0020032,-0.0011092,0.002434,-0.0017002
SVN_Emona,0.1203271,0.1434799,0.0241896,-0.0083057,0.0242681,-0.002789,0.0028536,0.0021757,0.0037984,0.0175467,0.0032244,0.005909,-0.0089834,-0.0003146,-0.003044,0.0016857,0.0073573,-0.0006153,0.0018136,0.002019,-0.0006773,0.0013424,0.0024473,0.0036493,-0.0043279
SRB_Roman,0.1211078,0.155376,0.0164426,-0.0259046,0.0304054,-0.009092,0.001081,0.0053538,0.0071176,0.03098,0.0044492,0.0086626,-0.0125172,0.0001374,-0.0160422,-0.0058868,0.0051632,0.0007094,0.0080446,-0.0070784,-0.0091838,0.0022752,-0.0025636,0.0042174,-0.0028738

Target: Dušan_g25
Distance: 1.5798% / 0.01579839
61.4   DEU_MA_Krakauer_Berg
24.0   SRB_Roman
14.6   TUR_Marmara_Iznik_Y.kapi_Byz

[MandM]

Target: Gedzo
Distance: 2.5386% / 0.02538629
40.0   DEU_MA_Krakauer_Berg
26.8   SRB_Roman
22.2   TUR_Marmara_Iznik_Y.kapi_Byz
11.0   SVN_Emona

[Марић (Мостар)]

Ко поседује G25 координате, срдачно препоручујем Modern Europe (scaled) - Celtibero рачунач за савремено порекло, на сајту dnagenics.com Мени је макар дао најпоузданију процену од свих које сам испробао до сада...

[Никац]

Нови модел. мало је "досадан" али обухвата мање-више све компоненете потребне на ширем балканском подручју.

Код: [Изабери]

Avar_Asian,0.040621,-0.383934,0.090745,-0.021853,-0.080707,-0.046165,0.016444,0.025456,0.010367,0.012130,-0.014564,0.000197,-0.002476,0.002047,0.002786,0.000858,0.001202,-0.003219,0.002479,0.012881,-0.023342,-0.004220,-0.019727,-0.001273,0.000674
Slavic,0.129151,0.127551,0.075424,0.066430,0.043516,0.024617,0.009432,0.012784,0.001145,-0.022573,-0.002728,-0.008443,0.015213,0.021258,-0.009935,-0.000628,0.004233,-0.000743,0.004492,0.002259,-0.003951,-0.002160,0.005760,-0.005888,0.000535
Dalmatia_Byzantine,0.115436,0.147929,0.006883,-0.027805,0.021568,-0.012643,0.000627,0.000250,0.003221,0.020729,-0.000717,0.005558,-0.012438,-0.001594,-0.008924,0.001182,0.006845,-0.002164,0.003007,-0.004638,-0.006478,0.000082,-0.001233,0.001396,-0.000100
Germanic,0.129282,0.132425,0.064700,0.052661,0.040623,0.019254,0.005850,0.007355,0.002183,-0.002581,-0.004786,0.004316,-0.009001,-0.005430,0.017579,0.006374,-0.005635,0.001555,0.004249,0.004079,0.007280,0.003651,-0.000191,0.011837,0.000329
Indus_Medieval,0.051619,-0.045800,-0.133086,0.098855,-0.069721,0.054886,-0.000717,0.009461,0.026741,0.013987,-0.003581,-0.000345,-0.000022,0.000220,-0.001025,-0.000802,-0.000019,0.000405,0.000704,0.000031,0.000512,-0.001793,0.002588,0.002060,-0.002970
Marmara_Byzantine,0.104013,0.148267,-0.025124,-0.061139,0.006404,-0.023825,0.000906,-0.004868,-0.000925,0.019143,0.004423,0.002098,-0.003794,0.003014,-0.013016,-0.008568,-0.000863,0.001520,0.002765,-0.005949,-0.004112,0.001148,-0.001397,-0.001279,-0.000986
Једино још Албанцима и Грцима (и мени) дистанца пада када се укључи и овај узорак:

Код: [Изабери]

Moesian,0.122170,0.161808,0.010434,-0.035099,0.034776,-0.015804,0.000235,0.000154,0.004704,0.035050,0.004384,0.009092,-0.012735,0.000596,-0.022394,-0.004641,0.014777,-0.002576,0.008338,-0.010088,-0.008901,0.005647,-0.004437,0.000723,-0.002634
Па ако неко има дистанцу 2 или више, нека проба укључити и њега.

[Никац]

мој резултат

Target: nikac_scaled
Distance: 1.7346% / 0.01734606
54.6   Slavic
40.0   Moesian
3.8   Marmara_Byzantine
1.6   Avar_Asian

и званичних просјека с еурогенес блога

[Небојша]

Ако изузмемо ових 6.6% Germanic, савршени српски просек. 



Коју опцију користиш Никац код Distance | ADC: (0.25, 0.5, 1X, 2X, или без)?

[Никац]

Ако изузмемо ових 6.6% Germanic, савршени српски просек. 



Коју опцију користиш Никац код Distance | ADC: (0.25, 0.5, 1X, 2X, или без)?

ове калкулације које сам поставио су све без ADC.

[Небојша]

ове калкулације које сам поставио су све без ADC.

Такође.

[Ивица Јовановић]

Distance to:   IvicaJovan_scaled
0.06106171   Dalmatia_Byzantine
0.07525434   Germanic
0.08450851   Slavic
0.10669474   Marmara_Byzantine
0.30425704   Indus_Medieval
0.55258648   Avar_Asian

Target: IvicaJovan_scaled
Distance: 1.8087% / 0.01808728
51.6   Dalmatia_Byzantine
43.0   Slavic
5.4   Marmara_Byzantine

[MandM]

Target: Gedzo
Distance: 2.6902% / 0.02690245
63.0   Dalmatia_Byzantine
36.2   Slavic
0.8   Avar_Asian

[Никац]

Target: Gedzo
Distance: 2.6902% / 0.02690245
63.0   Dalmatia_Byzantine
36.2   Slavic
0.8   Avar_Asian

можеш прoбати и с Moesian у моделу?

[Никац]

Ово је модел за старије раздобље, прије етногенезе Словена и ширења Хеленистичког и Римског царства. northwest-Europe су Келти из Чешке, у овом моделу покривају германску, али и илирску и келтску примјесу.

Код: [Изабери]

proto-balto-slavic:Baltic_LTU_Marvele,0.134596,0.125672,0.0974855,0.0980308,0.051702,0.0410668,0.0148058,0.0170762,0.0009202,-0.04278,-0.0069012,-0.0167853,0.0307358,0.0372612,-0.010145,-0.0023868,-0.0002933,-0.0015205,0.0020425,0.006378,-0.0041178,-0.0037715,0.0086888,-0.0176527,-0.0012572
Iranic_Steppe:RUS_Caspian_steppe_Sarmatian,0.1115467,0.0473917,0.0349467,0.065246,-0.0283642,0.0267272,3.92e-05,0.001,-0.0299627,-0.036599,-0.0038432,-0.003072,-0.003419,-0.025162,0.0197472,0.0128393,-0.0027163,-0.0023648,-0.0046928,0.001709,-0.0106478,0.0048843,0.0001437,0.0066473,0.0030537
West_Anatolia_antiquity:TUR_C_Gordion_Anc,0.1109775,0.1514833,-0.0344437,-0.0711138,-0.0047702,-0.0250535,0.004426,-0.007961,-0.0119645,0.0206835,0.0030582,0.0052955,-0.0097622,-0.0009175,-0.0138435,-0.0062538,0.0081492,0.0002957,0.0050697,-0.0037518,-0.0063015,0.0031533,-4.1e-05,0.0019278,0.0011177
EastAsian_Steppe:Avar_Asian,0.040621,-0.383934,0.090745,-0.021853,-0.080707,-0.046165,0.016444,0.025456,0.010367,0.012130,-0.014564,0.000197,-0.002476,0.002047,0.002786,0.000858,0.001202,-0.003219,0.002479,0.012881,-0.023342,-0.004220,-0.019727,-0.001273,0.000674
northwest-Europe:CZE_IA_La_Tene,0.1284778,0.1377312,0.0579352,0.0361356,0.0412615,0.0101586,0.0027613,0.0036806,0.0074396,0.01031,-0.0033128,0.0050467,-0.01235,-0.0093514,0.008815,0.0062748,-0.0002836,0.0016817,0.0011124,0.0031359,0.0036311,0.0030264,-0.0021814,0.0015634,-0.0011615
Uralic:RUS_Krasnoyarsk_BA,0.037562,-0.424491,0.154997,0.001938,-0.14495,-0.085341,0.019506,0.031845,0.028633,0.005832,0.086878,-0.00015,0.011298,-0.04803,-0.045466,-0.027711,0.000261,0.006714,0.004148,-0.009379,0.026204,0.001607,0.002218,0.004338,0.008502
south-Thracian:BGR_KapitanAndreevo_IA,0.1206523,0.1614692,0.0083593,-0.0527028,0.0323137,-0.0258903,0.001645,-0.0029232,0.012033,0.0480497,0.0018675,0.0096915,-0.0182605,0.0016517,-0.023525,-0.0100547,0.011213,0.0040962,0.0112082,-0.0087542,-0.010024,0.0014218,-0.0033688,0.001044,-0.0068658
Target: nikac_scaled
Distance: 1.6922% / 0.01692195
42.2   proto-balto-slavic
38.6   south-Thracian
9.2   West_Anatolia
8.2   northwest-Europe
1.8   EastAsian_Steppe

[Душан]

Target: Dušan_g25
Distance: 1.6640% / 0.01664050
59.4   Slavic
33.4   Dalmatia_Byzantine
6.4   Marmara_Byzantine
0.8   Avar_Asian


Target: Dušan_g25
Distance: 1.2887% / 0.01288694
60.6   Slavic
30.2   Moesian
7.6   Marmara_Byzantine
1.6   Avar_Asian

[MandM]

можеш прoбати и с Moesian у моделу?

Target: Gedzo
Distance: 2.5201% / 0.02520142
36.4   Slavic
32.6   Moesian
30.4   Dalmatia_Byzantine
0.6   Avar_Asian