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[Небо_Сав]

Evo uporednog pregleda nekoliko uzoraka iz genetskog roda Ozrinića na osnovu novododatog kalkulatora:


https://www.exploreyourdna.com/calculator/216/early-european-calculator-by-sandr

Uzorci sa majkama iz istočnog dela današnje Crne Gore (Kuči i Plav) imaju veći udeo Paleo-Balkanic:

Moj grafikon je obeležen plavim pravouganikom.

A evo, radi upoređivanja, i proračuna na drugom kalkulatoru, sa boljom korelacijom  sa realnim arheološkim uzorcima, naprotiv aproksimacija iz Early European kalkulatora:

https://www.exploreyourdna.com/calculator/186/the-migration-era-calculator-the-age-of-the-huns-scaled-by-karl-o-hgstrm

[Кековац]

Napisao sam da je to primer (jer kako da nacrtam 25-dimenzionalni vektor?). Ali 2 ili 3 dimenzije se mogu nacrtati. Poena je da ako ubacis u formulu iz trigonometrije: a•b = |a|•|b| cos(a, b) dobiješ kosinusnu sličnost dva vektora. Ovde su ti a i b vektori, a |a| i |b| magnitude vektora a i b. Ta formula ti daje ugao izmedju dva vektora, tj. da li pokazuju u istom smeru.

Dalje ove vektore (source) uzimamo kao koordinatne ose za računanje uzoraka od značaja (target). Ako imaš dve koordinatne ose koje su maltene u istoj liniji, razmisli da li ima smisla da ih koristiš?

Нема, наравно. Ако су свих 25 координата приближно исте онда не можемо разликовати шта је од чега потекло.

[Небојша]

Убацили су нови алат: Ethnicity Guesser (2,607 populations)

G25 праве координате


А што су нашли да ме опишу кроз Геге и херцеговачке Хрвате, нису могли наћи веће непријатеље Срба.

Проширили су узорак модерних популација за овај алат, сада је 3088 (неких 500 више), па су се и резултати утолико променили. Убацио сам Давидски координате добијене на основу Суперкита (FTDNA + 23andMe). Изгледа да је RAW са 23andMe комплетирао-употпунио слику, па су и резултати прецизнији. Иако сам остао у истим, или сличним кластерима, дистанце су нешто ниже, а посебно ми делују смисленије ови 2-Way модели, који тачније описују порекло, тј. позицију.

Није ми само јасно код ове процене, зашто сам овај пут испао Црногорац, када су ми и даље Срби најближи по дистанцама (али није шија, него врат). Вероватно да раде неки просек просека и сл.

[OneLove]

Da, to je normalno, jer su rani Sloveni 65-70% Baltic + 30-35% Paleo-Balkan.

Ovaj proto_slav uzorak je takvog profila, 70% Baltic + 30% Juznija genetika

Proto_Slav,0.1280698,0.1297874,0.0737197,0.0665258,0.0393722,0.0243673,0.0100339,0.0107155,0.001001,-0.0232604,-0.0012329,-0.0121771,0.0186664,0.026536,-0.0129782,-0.0019785,0.0014559,0.0011226,0.0023482,0.0029414,-0.003575,-0.0007801,0.0033404,-0.0129756,0.002079
Celtic,0.127028,0.134841,0.060663,0.048063,0.037119,0.017610,0.004106,0.003811,0.005293,0.004777,-0.005678,0.005541,-0.013977,-0.011765,0.019752,0.002326,-0.008887,0.002277,0.003567,0.002808,0.004824,0.002717,-0.001860,0.004879,-0.001028
Avar,0.042704,-0.374514,0.091613,-0.021495,-0.080668,-0.046419,0.017259,0.024745,0.008927,0.011123,-0.011503,0.000701,-0.004218,0.003188,0.002604,0.001067,0.000382,-0.003404,0.001881,0.011153,-0.023158,-0.005006,-0.019134,-0.002583,0.001635
Uralic,0.1013025,-0.0766725,0.1170643,0.0798887,-0.0298259,0.0001861,0.0050721,0.0140959,0.0024544,-0.031132,0.0352926,-0.0101536,0.0188426,-0.0285223,-0.0088781,0.0006629,-0.0022493,0.0013407,-0.0062852,-0.0061384,0.0164397,0.0022464,-0.001366,0.0015061,0.0013972
Paleo-Balkanic,0.123008,0.147855,0.023861,-0.015954,0.030195,-0.007191,0.001060,0.000495,0.006273,0.027387,0.000031,0.007595,-0.013702,-0.003935,-0.008290,-0.003921,0.007116,0.001854,0.006836,-0.005574,-0.007092,0.004808,-0.000243,0.004937,-0.004113
Germanic,0.123926,0.130753,0.063643,0.053182,0.038853,0.021314,0.008262,0.004974,0.002449,-0.003866,-0.004535,0.004916,-0.009130,-0.005401,0.016694,0.006442,-0.003732,0.003582,0.007179,0.006067,0.007323,0.001070,0.002053,0.010026,-0.001336
East_Med,0.1088603,0.1512326,-0.0327342,-0.0663313,0.0018342,-0.0248659,-0.000846,-0.0068029,-0.004884,0.021861,0.0037739,0.0037886,-0.0084022,0.0028736,-0.0156133,-0.0045346,0.0045791,0.0013278,0.0049977,-0.006433,-0.0036335,0.0016272,-0.0010156,-0.0010024,-0.0015568

Distance: 2.7623% / 0.02762324
48.4   Paleo-Balkanic
40.0   Proto_Slav
11.6   East_Med

[OneLove]

Target: Proto_Slav
Distance: 0.9862% / 0.00986212 | R3P
70.6   Balt
20.0   Thracian
9.4   Scythian

Target: Proto_Slav
Distance: 0.4946% / 0.00494594 | R3P
68.2   Baltic*(AD*260–540)
28.8   Balkans*(AD*500–1000)
3.0   Volga*(AD*200–400)

Closest Modern Populations

#   Population   Distance   
1   Belarusian   0.01391   
2   Belarusian   0.01415   
3   Russian Smolensk   0.01428   
4   Russian Smolensk   0.01428   
5   Russian Voronez   0.01598   
6   Ukrainian Rivne   0.01631   
7   Ukrainian Sumy   0.01632   
8   Ukrainian Rivne   0.01669   
9   Ukrainian Zhytomyr   0.01721   
10   Ukrainian Sumy   0.01738   


63.5% Baltic_LVA_BA + 36.5% DEU_MA_Alemannic_o1
#1
0.0085
64.7% Baltic_LVA_BA + 35.3% Scythian_MDA
#2
0.0086
66.6% Baltic_LVA_BA + 33.4% ITA_Rome_MA
#3
0.0087
62.6% Baltic_EST_BA + 37.4% DEU_MA_Alemannic_o1
#4
0.0088
64.6% Baltic_LVA_BA + 35.4% ITA_Proto-Villanovan
#

Closest Ancient Populations

#   Population   Distance   
1   Pannonia Avar Slavic   0.01106   
2   Germany High-Late Medieval Krakauer Berg (Balto-Slavic Profile)   0.01354   
3   Austria Early Medieval Avar Period (Balto-Slavic Profile)   0.01553   
4   Germany MA Krakauer Berg   0.01622   
5   Poland OstrowLednicki MA   0.01722   

[Душан]

Ovaj proto_slav uzorak je takvog profila, 70% Baltic + 30% Juznija genetika

Proto_Slav,0.1280698,0.1297874,0.0737197,0.0665258,0.0393722,0.0243673,0.0100339,0.0107155,0.001001,-0.0232604,-0.0012329,-0.0121771,0.0186664,0.026536,-0.0129782,-0.0019785,0.0014559,0.0011226,0.0023482,0.0029414,-0.003575,-0.0007801,0.0033404,-0.0129756,0.002079
Celtic,0.127028,0.134841,0.060663,0.048063,0.037119,0.017610,0.004106,0.003811,0.005293,0.004777,-0.005678,0.005541,-0.013977,-0.011765,0.019752,0.002326,-0.008887,0.002277,0.003567,0.002808,0.004824,0.002717,-0.001860,0.004879,-0.001028
Avar,0.042704,-0.374514,0.091613,-0.021495,-0.080668,-0.046419,0.017259,0.024745,0.008927,0.011123,-0.011503,0.000701,-0.004218,0.003188,0.002604,0.001067,0.000382,-0.003404,0.001881,0.011153,-0.023158,-0.005006,-0.019134,-0.002583,0.001635
Uralic,0.1013025,-0.0766725,0.1170643,0.0798887,-0.0298259,0.0001861,0.0050721,0.0140959,0.0024544,-0.031132,0.0352926,-0.0101536,0.0188426,-0.0285223,-0.0088781,0.0006629,-0.0022493,0.0013407,-0.0062852,-0.0061384,0.0164397,0.0022464,-0.001366,0.0015061,0.0013972
Paleo-Balkanic,0.123008,0.147855,0.023861,-0.015954,0.030195,-0.007191,0.001060,0.000495,0.006273,0.027387,0.000031,0.007595,-0.013702,-0.003935,-0.008290,-0.003921,0.007116,0.001854,0.006836,-0.005574,-0.007092,0.004808,-0.000243,0.004937,-0.004113
Germanic,0.123926,0.130753,0.063643,0.053182,0.038853,0.021314,0.008262,0.004974,0.002449,-0.003866,-0.004535,0.004916,-0.009130,-0.005401,0.016694,0.006442,-0.003732,0.003582,0.007179,0.006067,0.007323,0.001070,0.002053,0.010026,-0.001336
East_Med,0.1088603,0.1512326,-0.0327342,-0.0663313,0.0018342,-0.0248659,-0.000846,-0.0068029,-0.004884,0.021861,0.0037739,0.0037886,-0.0084022,0.0028736,-0.0156133,-0.0045346,0.0045791,0.0013278,0.0049977,-0.006433,-0.0036335,0.0016272,-0.0010156,-0.0010024,-0.0015568

Distance: 2.7623% / 0.02762324
48.4   Paleo-Balkanic
40.0   Proto_Slav
11.6   East_Med

Target: Dušan_scaled
Distance: 2.5375% / 0.02537473
56.0   Proto_Slav
32.0   Paleo-Balkanic
11.4   East_Med
0.6   Avar

[OneLove]

Target: Dušan_scaled
Distance: 2.5375% / 0.02537473
56.0   Proto_Slav
32.0   Paleo-Balkanic
11.4   East_Med
0.6   Avar

https://xorpde.github.io
izracunaj genetski profil pre dolaska slovena.
U vahaduo dodaj taj profil i

Proto_Slav,0.1280698,0.1297874,0.0737197,0.0665258,0.0393722,0.0243673,0.0100339,0.0107155,0.001001,-0.0232604,-0.0012329,-0.0121771,0.0186664,0.026536,-0.0129782,-0.0019785,0.0014559,0.0011226,0.0023482,0.0029414,-0.003575,-0.0007801,0.0033404,-0.0129756,0.002079
Avar,0.042704,-0.374514,0.091613,-0.021495,-0.080668,-0.046419,0.017259,0.024745,0.008927,0.011123,-0.011503,0.000701,-0.004218,0.003188,0.002604,0.001067,0.000382,-0.003404,0.001881,0.011153,-0.023158,-0.005006,-0.019134,-0.002583,0.001635

Dobices precizno koliko si % sloven i najbolju mogucu distancu.

60% si sloven verovatno 

moj rez

Distance: 0.5351% / 0.00535105
60.4   PreSlavic_OneLove
38.8   Proto_Slav
0.8   Avar

moj pre slavic izgleda kao mesavina ilira i rimljana iz anatolije.

[Душан]

https://xorpde.github.io
izracunaj genetski profil pre dolaska slovena.
U vahaduo dodaj taj profil i

Proto_Slav,0.1280698,0.1297874,0.0737197,0.0665258,0.0393722,0.0243673,0.0100339,0.0107155,0.001001,-0.0232604,-0.0012329,-0.0121771,0.0186664,0.026536,-0.0129782,-0.0019785,0.0014559,0.0011226,0.0023482,0.0029414,-0.003575,-0.0007801,0.0033404,-0.0129756,0.002079
Avar,0.042704,-0.374514,0.091613,-0.021495,-0.080668,-0.046419,0.017259,0.024745,0.008927,0.011123,-0.011503,0.000701,-0.004218,0.003188,0.002604,0.001067,0.000382,-0.003404,0.001881,0.011153,-0.023158,-0.005006,-0.019134,-0.002583,0.001635

Dobices precizno koliko si % sloven i najbolju mogucu distancu.

60% si sloven verovatno 

moj rez

Distance: 0.5351% / 0.00535105
60.4   PreSlavic_OneLove
38.8   Proto_Slav
0.8   Avar

moj pre slavic izgleda kao mesavina ilira i rimljana iz anatolije.

У праву си. 

Target: Dušan_scaled
Distance: 0.9849% / 0.00984896
60.4   Proto_Slav
38.6   PreSlavic_Dušan_scaled
1.0   Avar





Distance to:   PreSlavic_Dušan_scaled
0.07482328   Greek_North_Tsakonia
0.07567001   Greek_Arcadia
0.07654860   Greek_Messenia
0.07700195   Greek_Argolis
0.07764519   Greek_Laconia
0.07846311   Greek_East_Taygetos
0.07867617   Greek_Corinthia
0.07871242   Greek_Macedonia
0.07873966   Greek_Deep_Mani
0.07918758   Greek_Elis


Target: PreSlavic_Dušan_scaled
Distance: 7.1028% / 0.07102792
39.4   Greek_Macedonia
28.2   Sardinian
17.0   Greek_Trabzon
14.8   Greek_North_Tsakonia
0.6   Papuan_Highland_A