G25 rezultati iz velike studije Akbarija

[kocovic]

I47861 из ове групе је иста грана као генетички род Васојевића.

https://discover.familytreedna.com/y-dna/E-PH631/tree

На YFull стаблу је то ова грана https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-Y126722/.

Zbog odnosa severnih/južnih grana ja mislim da je ova grupa možda neka grupa Srba, Hrvata ili Bosanaca koja se naselila u Mađarskoj ili možda u nekim južnim delovima Slovačke, poput Komarna.

[Imoćanin]

Zbog odnosa severnih/južnih grana ja mislim da je ova grupa možda neka grupa Srba, Hrvata ili Bosanaca koja se naselila u Mađarskoj ili možda u nekim južnim delovima Slovačke, poput Komarna.

Da, moglo bi se misliti, ali ovo je regija SE, znači otpadaju Slovenija, Mađarska, Rumunija, samo što je zapadno od nje.

[Imoćanin]

Kakve rasprave na "Forumu. HR", nema ramo rasprava, sve je zaključeno, cak se i ti tamo osjećaš neprijatno
Pitao sam te te sasvim pristojno za ova 3 rezultata Akbary.
Koliko znam ti si prozivao članove Porekla na tom forumu. HR kako su obični entuzijasti koji neće da komentarisu ovaj najnoviji rad o Migracijama Slovena i zašto ih Ja ne pitam u čemu je problem.

Ajde ne ulaze u rasprave ovdje. Što se tiće ove grane vidiš sam gdje su smješteni Akbari uzorci, najstariji je iz regije C, znači Slovenija ili Mađarska ili još sjevernije ili zapadnije, to je sve što se zna.

[kocovic]

Da, moglo bi se misliti, ali ovo je regija SE, znači otpadaju Slovenija, Mađarska, Rumunija, samo što je zapadno od nje.

Nisam razumeo ovaj deo. Delovi Madjarske i juzne Slovacke (koja je tada bila deo Madjarske) su videli vece migracije sa Balkana u periodu 15-17. vek. Da budem precizniji: Komarno, Sentandreja, Buda, Ostrogon, Djer, Seged, Pec, okolina Debrecena, Baranja i Tolna regije.

Ako bi morao da pogadjam sa Balkana, verovatno neki delovi severne Bosne

[Imoćanin]

Nisam razumeo ovaj deo. Delovi Madjarske i juzne Slovacke (koja je tada bila deo Madjarske) su videli vece migracije sa Balkana u periodu 15-17. vek. Da budem precizniji: Komarno, Sentandreja, Buda, Ostrogon, Djer, Seged, Pec, okolina Debrecena, Baranja i Tolna regije.

Za Akbari rad postoji mapa regija i za svaki uzorak se zna iz koje je regije. Regija South-East SE je Hrvatska, BiH, Srbija, Crna Gora, Bugarska, Albanija, Grčka i Turska.

[kocovic]

Za Akbari rad postoji mapa regija i za svaki uzorak se zna iz koje je regije. Regija South-East SE je Hrvatska, BiH, Srbija, Crna Gora, Bugarska, Albanija, Grčka i Turska.

Aha SE = South-East, ok.

Pa u svakom slucaju iz razloga sto im je prosek za Sirmium Ottoman najblizi genetski uzorak, plus iz razloga sto su ti delovi cak i tada videli velike demografske promene rekao bi da je severna Bosna/Slavonija najverovatnije mesto odakle su.

[Imoćanin]

Da, tako i ja mislim. Ali postoje dvije logične opcije za y-heterogenost. Ili su se tu orodili pravoslavci, katolici i možda još pripadnici crkve bosanske ili se radi o novoj muslimanskoj zajednici. Arheologija tog nalazišta bi tribali dat odgovor.

[kocovic]

Da, tako i ja mislim. Ali postoje dvije logične opcije za y-heterogenost. Ili su se tu orodili pravoslavci, katolici i možda još pripadnici crkve bosanske ili se radi o novoj muslimanskoj zajednici. Arheologija tog nalazišta bi tribali dat odgovor.

Sta je crkva bosanska? Bogumili? Ocekivao bi tu neke grane iz Anatolije.

Ovo za mozda novonastalu juznoslovensku mesavinu muslimana ima smisla.

[Imoćanin]

A Imoćanin legendo, ima li rezultata za 9ve Srbe sa Morave i ove nove Akbary?
https://www.yfull.com/tree/I-Y84307/

Evo, pošto te tako zanima ta grana, pregledao sam uzorak S47838 (1350AD). Pozitivni call na Y93273 je čist ko suza, 8C. Između ovog snipa koji je od YFull i FTDNA procijenjen na 400AD ima još 7 snipa na slijedećem nivou ćija starost je procijenjena na 1250AD kod FTDNA i 1000AD kod YFull. Od tih 7 uzoraka S47838 je negativan na 5 i na 2 nema čitanja. Znači, zajednički predak uzorka S47838 i dva moderna uzorka pod ovom granom je sigurno živio u ranom srednjom vijeku (najkasnije 800AD) i njegova lokacija će zbog toga biti vrijedna informacija.

[Filipi1]

Evo, pošto te tako zanima ta grana, pregledao sam uzorak S47838 (1350AD). Pozitivni call na Y93273 je čist ko suza, 8C. Između ovog snipa koji je od YFull i FTDNA procijenjen na 400AD ima još 7 snipa na slijedećem nivou ćija starost je procijenjena na 1250AD kod FTDNA i 1000AD kod YFull. Od tih 7 uzoraka S47838 je negativan na 5 i na 2 nema čitanja. Znači, zajednički predak uzorka S47838 i dva moderna uzorka pod ovom granom je sigurno živio u ranom srednjom vijeku (najkasnije 800AD) i njegova lokacija će zbog toga biti vrijedna informacija.

Hvala

[Imoćanin]

Hvala

I evo, da ti još predstavim grupu u kojoj je nađen ovaj uzorak. To su uzorci od S47834-S47844. Datacija je 1350AD. Tu su 8 muških uzoraka od kojih su 6 već postavljeni na stablu:

https://discover.familytreedna.com/y-dna/G-FT199049/tree
https://discover.familytreedna.com/y-dna/I-FTF30880/tree
https://discover.familytreedna.com/y-dna/I-V3723/tree
https://discover.familytreedna.com/y-dna/I-Y46296/tree
https://discover.familytreedna.com/y-dna/I-Y93273/tree
https://discover.familytreedna.com/y-dna/R-Y98520/tree

Njihova autosomalna slika izgleda ovako:

[Кековац]

I47864 припада истој грани као и генетички род Матаруга о којем имамо засебну тему https://forum.poreklo.rs/index.php?topic=285.0

Истој хаплогрупи припадају за сада још два узорка из Акбаријевог рада, I46995 и I41949, али нису из ове групе. Ипак сличне су старости, с тим што је I41949 мало старији, јер је датиран на средњи век. Иако је старост хаплогрупе E-V13>Z5017>Z19851>A18833>A18844 нешто већа, ови узорци би могли да допринесу бољем разумевању порекла ове хаплогрупе, када једном буду објављени детаљи који су тренутно тајни.

https://discover.familytreedna.com/y-dna/E-FT7837/tree

[CosicZ]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/16Fz-Dxwxbn9hfuH_ydzal1x36WuPJVfzPQMxt-KUfJ4/edit?gid=1058148619#gid=1058148619
https://static-content.springer.com/esm/art%3A10.1038%2Fs41586-026-10358-1/MediaObjects/41586_2026_10358_MOESM3_ESM.xlsx

#IID:   I37654.TW
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Closest cluster:   Italy_Sicily_antiquity_Scythian
closest pop:   Ukraine_IA_Scythian_Kupievakha_(Steppe_Iranic_Profile)_(n=2)
closest sample:      Hungary_IA_Prescythian:IR1.SG__BC_899__Cov_66.63%
distance:      0.02945439   
tree:   E-M96>CTS9083>P147>P177>P2>M215>M35>V68>M78>PF2179>Z1919>L618>CTS1975>V13>CTS8814>CTS5856>BY4877>BY3880>Z5017>BY4684
mt_haplogroup:   T2+16189
st1_date_mean_bp:   2290
st1_region:   E
https://discover.familytreedna.com/y-dna/E-BY4684/tree
https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-Y18556/
https://discover.familytreedna.com/mtdna/T2f/tree
https://www.yfull.com/mtree/T2-b/

#IID:   I35346.TW
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Closest cluster:   Italy_imperial
closest pop:   Italy_Lazio_Late_Antiquity_Rome_(East_Med_Profile)_(n=8)
closest sample:      Turkey_Southeast_Mardin_Roman_Byzantine:I4613.AG__AD_600__Cov_69.03%
distance:   0.02395293      
tree:   E-M96>CTS9083>P147>P177>P2>M215>M35>V68>M78>PF2179>Z1919>L618>CTS1975>V13>CTS8814>CTS5856>BY4877>BY3880>Z5017>BY4684>FGC71968>Z19851>BY4770
mt_haplogroup:   K1a
st1_date_mean_bp:   1759
st1_region:   SW
https://discover.familytreedna.com/y-dna/E-BY4770/tree
https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-Y58315/
https://discover.familytreedna.com/mtdna/K1a1/tree
https://www.yfull.com/mtree/K1a1/ https://www.yfull.com/mtree/K1a1a5/ ?

#IID:   I35444.TW
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Closest cluster:   Balkan_West_BA
closest pop:   Croatia_Late_Antiquity_Sisak_(Paleo-Balkan_Profile)_(n=3)
closest sample:      Hungary_Abasar_Aba_Medieval:HUAS85__AD_1100__Cov_74.76%
distance:   0.02001767      
tree:   E-M96>CTS9083>P147>P177>P2>M215>M35>V68>M78>PF2179>Z1919>L618>CTS1975>V13>CTS8814>CTS5856>BY4877>BY3880>Z5017>BY4684
mt_haplogroup:   T2b
st1_date_mean_bp:   1508
st1_region:   C
https://discover.familytreedna.com/y-dna/E-BY4684/tree
https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-Y18556/
https://discover.familytreedna.com/mtdna/T2b/tree
https://www.yfull.com/mtree/T2b/

#IID:   I40934.TW
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Closest cluster:   Balkan_MA_East
closest pop:   Serbia_Early_Medieval_Ravna_Kuline_(South_Slavic_Profile)_(n=4)
closest sample:      Austria_ViennaBasin_Modling_Avar:MGS176__AD_775__Cov_51.39%
distance:   0.02790787      
tree:   E-M96>CTS9083>P147>P177>P2>M215>M35>V68>M78>PF2179>Z1919>L618>CTS1975>V13>CTS8814>CTS5856>BY4877>BY3880>Z5017>BY4684>BY159225
mt_haplogroup:   U2e1f1
st1_date_mean_bp:   1550
st1_region:   SE
https://discover.familytreedna.com/y-dna/E-BY159829/tree
https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-Y420784/
https://discover.familytreedna.com/mtdna/U2e1f1/tree
https://www.yfull.com/mtree/U2e1f1a1/

[CosicZ]

#IID:   I41078.TW
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Closest cluster:   Balkan_MA_East
closest pop:   Austria_Early_Medieval_Avar_Period_(East_Asian-Mixed_Profile)_o2_(n=69)
closest sample:   Austria_ViennaBasin_Modling_Avar:MGS422__AD_775__Cov_51.22%   
distance:   0.02579713      
tree:   E-M96>CTS9083>P147>P177>P2>M215>M35>V68>M78>PF2179>Z1919>L618>CTS1975>V13>CTS8814>CTS5856>BY4877>BY3880>Z5017>BY4684>FGC71968>FGC71980
mt_haplogroup:   J1c5
st1_date_mean_bp:   1100
st1_region:   SE
https://discover.familytreedna.com/y-dna/E-FGC71980/tree
https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-Z17424/
https://discover.familytreedna.com/mtdna/J1c5aq/tree
https://www.yfull.com/mtree/J1c5/

#IID:   I19786.TW
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Closest cluster:   Iberia_MA_south
closest pop:   Iberia_Portugal_Late_Antiquity-Early_Medieval_Miroico_o_(n=2)
closest sample:      Spain_Valencia_Islamic_Medieval:GOG026_merged__AD_951__Cov_93.29%
distance:      0.03656221   
tree:   E-M96>CTS9083>P147>P177>P2>M215>M35>V68>M78>PF2179>Z1919>L618>CTS1975>V13>CTS8814>CTS5856
mt_haplogroup:   H1e1a
st1_date_mean_bp:   1050
st1_region:   SW
https://discover.familytreedna.com/y-dna/E-Z19851/tree
https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-Z19851/
https://discover.familytreedna.com/mtdna/H1e1a16/tree
https://www.yfull.com/mtree/H1e1a16/

#IID:   I41949.TW
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Closest cluster:   Balkan_MA_East
closest pop:   Serbia_Early_Medieval_Ravna_Kuline_(South_Slavic_Profile)_(n=4)
closest sample:      Spain_Medieval:I10895.AG__AD_912__Cov_54.96%
distance:   0.02313148      
tree:   E-M96>CTS9083>P147>P177>P2>M215>M35>V68>M78>PF2179>Z1919>L618>CTS1975>V13>CTS8814>CTS5856>BY4877>BY3880>Z5017>BY4684>FGC71968>Z19851>FT7837
mt_haplogroup:   H*5
st1_date_mean_bp:   650
st1_region:   SE
https://discover.familytreedna.com/y-dna/E-FT7837/tree
https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-Z19851a/
https://discover.familytreedna.com/mtdna/H230%22536/tree
https://www.yfull.com/mtree/H*/ https://www.yfull.com/mtree/H-e6/ https://www.yfull.com/mtree/H1-f/ https://www.yfull.com/mtree/H1b1n/ ?

[CosicZ]

#IID:   I46995.TW
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Closest cluster:   Slavic_South
closest pop:   Austria_Early_Medieval_Avar_Period_(South_Slavic_Profile)_(n=129)
closest sample:      Croatia_Zadar_Velim_EMA_Slav:VEM025__AD_775__Cov_70.23%   0.02199096
distance:   0.02199096      
tree:   E-M96>CTS9083>P147>P177>P2>M215>M35>V68>M78>PF2179>Z1919>L618>CTS1975>V13>CTS8814>CTS5856>BY4877>BY3880>Z5017>BY4684>FGC71968>Z19851>FT7837
mt_haplogroup:   I1a1
st1_date_mean_bp:   300
st1_region:   SE
https://discover.familytreedna.com/y-dna/E-FT7837/tree
https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-Z19851a/
https://discover.familytreedna.com/mtdna/I1a1/tree
https://www.yfull.com/mtree/I1a-b2/

#IID:   S47864
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coord teepean:   Akbari2026:S47864_Charm.51_SQ.TW,0.125205,0.13405,0.058454,0.033915,0.038161,0.012829,0.015746,0.010384,-0.001432,-0.014214,0.002436,-0.004646,0.0055,0.016377,-0.013843,0.014717,0.026859,-0.005574,0.006285,0.002876,-0.00836,-0.001113,0.003574,-0.005663,0
Closest cluster:   Slavic_South
closest pop:   Hungary_Early_Medieval_Avar_Period_Middle/Late_(Central_Euro_Slavic_Profile)_(n=1)
closest sample:      Belgium_Flanders_Sint_Truiden_EarlyMedieval:ST0140__AD_885__Cov_59.64%
distance:   0.02250946      
tree:   E-M96>CTS9083>P147>P177>P2>M215>M35>V68>M78>PF2179>Z1919>L618>CTS1975>V13>CTS8814>CTS5856>BY4877>BY3880>Z5017>BY4684>FGC71968>Z19851>FT7837
mt_haplogroup:   U5a1d1
st1_date_mean_bp:   (300)
st1_region:   (SE)
https://discover.familytreedna.com/y-dna/E-FT7837/tree
https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-Z19851a/
https://discover.familytreedna.com/mtdna/U5a1d1a/tree
https://www.yfull.com/mtree/U5a1d1a/



UKR102 ( Zolochiv 102 https://discover.familytreedna.com/y-dna/E-V13/tree ) на https://www.theytree.com/tree/E-Z19851 ?

[Ивица Јовановић]

Да ли је овом студијом обухваћен период од 3. до 6. века а на простору Горње Мезије односно Дацие Рипенсис?