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[Stefan Dragićević]

[OneLove]

0.04279776   Alpine(Celto-Germanic)
0.04743760   North-Adriatic(Celto-Germanic)
0.05260400   Panonnian-Danube
0.05326605   Paleo-Balkanic
0.06195119   Gaulish:Gaul-Centre
0.06610037   Gaulish:Gaul-North
0.06754825   Italic
0.06865177   Iberian/Occitan
0.06954813   Etruscan
0.07031435   Andalusian
0.07174108   Gaulish:Gaul-South
0.07453980   Celtic
0.07602317   Germanic
0.08217849   Early-Slavic
0.11245873   East-Med-Euro
0.11870451   Finnio-Ugric
0.13705746   Baltic
0.15941155   Phoenician
0.26815749   Uralic
0.26858766   North-African
0.48436108   Hun
0.54978094   Avar

Distance: 2.6620% / 0.02662015
44.8   Paleo-Balkanic
32.6   Early-Slavic
14.6   Panonnian-Danube
8.0   Phoenician

Samo 3 profila
Distance: 2.7646% / 0.02764582
62.2   Paleo-Balkanic
37.2   Early-Slavic
0.6   East-Med-Euro

[OneLove]

Mora baltik da se skloni

[Небо_Сав]

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Шта ради: Тражи научни сигнал, није  пророк

Детектор приказује четири броја која можете упоредити са објављеном научном литературом:
FROH — удео ваших аутозома покривен ROH сегментима,
SROH — укупна дужина у мегабазама,
nROH — број засебних сегмената, и најдужи сегмент.

Популације без изражене сродничке затворености обично имају око 0,3% FROH, док изоловане заједнице достижу 2–8%.

Ваши резултати се затим упоређују са 14 референтних популација са документованим ефектима оснивача: Ашкенази, Сефарди, Роми, Сардинци, Финци, Друзи, Бедуини, Баски, Менонити/Амиши, Јермени, Јужни Италијани, Хутерити, Исланђани, коптски Египћани и Палестинци. Сваки резултат се приказује као вероватан, могућ или није откривен, уз јасно наведене критеријуме, тако да можете видети због чега је донет такав закључак.

[Небојша]

Mora baltik da se skloni

Не мора ништа да се склања, такав је калкулатор. Ако идемо том логиком, може се избацити и Germanic, итд. Просто некога калкулатор боље опише са тим просеком, некога без. Вас и Стефана је добро описао са Early Slavic, али онда по правилу испада Балтик, или иде на мањи проценат. Зато се код вас двоје појављује и Panonnian-Danube.

Panonnian-Danube претпостављам представља неко староседелачко становништво Паноније и Горњег Дунава, или неки германско-романско-словенски микс. Данас су најближи просеци међу Немцима, Мађарима, Словенцима:

Panonnian-Danube


Baltic


Early Slavic

[kocovic]

Nebojša nisi u pravu. Suština ovih G25 kalkulatora su da odrede osnovnih 25 komponenti. Ako je jedna populacija (Early Slavic) linearna kombinacije druge dve komponente (Baltic, Paleo-Balkan), onda svakako treba ukloniti Early Slavic ili Baltic, da bi se dobio procenat severoistočne komponente.

[OneLove]

Baltik se preklapa sa Slovenima. Na svakom kalkulatoru Baltik ce da "jede" Slovene. Germani mi to ne rade.

 

[Небојша]

Baltik se preklapa sa Slovenima. Na svakom kalkulatoru Baltik ce da "jede" Slovene. Germani mi to ne rade.

 

Али једе друге компоненте.

Nebojša nisi u pravu. Suština ovih G25 kalkulatora su da odrede osnovnih 25 komponenti. Ako je jedna populacija (Early Slavic) linearna kombinacije druge dve komponente (Baltic, Paleo-Balkan), onda svakako treba ukloniti Early Slavic ili Baltic, da bi se dobio procenat severoistočne komponente.

Ако се иде том логиком, сваки калкулатор се може штеловати док се не направи идеалан по мери. У овом случају, има логике склонити Балтик, али онда има логике и склонити чист Германик пошто је он у директној корелацији са другим келто-германским компонентама овде (North Adriatic, Alpine, Panonian). Исто важи и за Медитеран и тако можемо док не сведемо на 3 комоненте.

Дајте предлог које просеке овде треба оставити, шта најбоље симулира неки нпр. период Велике сеобе.

Само ово?

Germanic,0.123926,0.130753,0.063643,0.053182,0.038853,0.021314,0.008262,0.004974,0.002449,-0.003866,-0.004535,0.004916,-0.009130,-0.005401,0.016694,0.006442,-0.003732,0.003582,0.007179,0.006067,0.007323,0.001070,0.002053,0.010026,-0.001336
Early-Slavic,0.129471,0.121707,0.070142,0.064739,0.038239,0.024348,0.007002,0.012762,-0.001401,-0.021031,-0.001969,-0.006265,0.015024,0.020210,-0.009954,0.001262,0.005752,-0.000914,0.001103,0.002823,0.000259,-0.004341,0.006920,-0.006772,-0.001240
Paleo-Balkanic,0.123008,0.147855,0.023861,-0.015954,0.030195,-0.007191,0.001060,0.000495,0.006273,0.027387,0.000031,0.007595,-0.013702,-0.003935,-0.008290,-0.003921,0.007116,0.001854,0.006836,-0.005574,-0.007092,0.004808,-0.000243,0.004937,-0.004113
East-Med-Euro,0.105855,0.142174,-0.011691,-0.064277,0.00677,-0.020917,0.00517,-0.004154,0.004295,0.014214,0.008282,0.007044,-0.007136,0.007844,-0.00095,-0.013259,-0.017602,-0.003167,0.013324,-0.004127,-0.004866,-0.008408,0.000123,-0.005422,0.004431

[kocovic]

Ако се иде том логиком, сваки калкулатор се може штеловати док се не направи идеалан по мери. У овом случају, има логике склонити Балтик, али онда има логике и склонити чист Германик пошто је он у директној корелацији са другим келто-германским компонентама овде (North Adriatic, Alpine, Panonian). Исто важи и за Медитеран и тако можемо док не сведемо на 3 комоненте.

Дајте предлог које просеке овде треба оставити, шта најбоље симулира неки нпр. период Велике сеобе.

Само ово?

Germanic,0.123926,0.130753,0.063643,0.053182,0.038853,0.021314,0.008262,0.004974,0.002449,-0.003866,-0.004535,0.004916,-0.009130,-0.005401,0.016694,0.006442,-0.003732,0.003582,0.007179,0.006067,0.007323,0.001070,0.002053,0.010026,-0.001336
Early-Slavic,0.129471,0.121707,0.070142,0.064739,0.038239,0.024348,0.007002,0.012762,-0.001401,-0.021031,-0.001969,-0.006265,0.015024,0.020210,-0.009954,0.001262,0.005752,-0.000914,0.001103,0.002823,0.000259,-0.004341,0.006920,-0.006772,-0.001240
Paleo-Balkanic,0.123008,0.147855,0.023861,-0.015954,0.030195,-0.007191,0.001060,0.000495,0.006273,0.027387,0.000031,0.007595,-0.013702,-0.003935,-0.008290,-0.003921,0.007116,0.001854,0.006836,-0.005574,-0.007092,0.004808,-0.000243,0.004937,-0.004113
East-Med-Euro,0.105855,0.142174,-0.011691,-0.064277,0.00677,-0.020917,0.00517,-0.004154,0.004295,0.014214,0.008282,0.007044,-0.007136,0.007844,-0.00095,-0.013259,-0.017602,-0.003167,0.013324,-0.004127,-0.004866,-0.008408,0.000123,-0.005422,0.004431

Da, tako je. To je jedini ispravan kalkulator. Možda ti fali Etruscan ili tako neštoza zapadni Mediteran

[Небојша]

Da, tako je. To je jedini ispravan kalkulator. Možda ti fali Etruscan ili tako neštoza zapadni Mediteran

Боље можда Italic, видим да се више уклапа са западномедитеранским популацијама. Србима (и генерално Јужним Словенима) ће се свакако појављивати у 90% случајева само Paleo-Balkanic, Early-Slavic и East-Med-Euro.

[kocovic]

Боље можда Italic, видим да се више уклапа са западномедитеранским популацијама. Србима (и генерално Јужним Словенима) ће се свакако појављивати у 90% случајева само Paleo-Balkanic, Early-Slavic и East-Med-Euro.

Moguće. Kad ostavim samo te populacije koje si spomenuo:

Target: kocovic
Distance: 1.4705% / 0.01470517
56.8   Paleo-Balkanic
22.4   Early-Slavic
20.8   East-Med-Euro

[Небојша]

Moguće. Kad ostavim samo te populacije koje si spomenuo:

Target: kocovic
Distance: 1.4705% / 0.01470517
56.8   Paleo-Balkanic
22.4   Early-Slavic
20.8   East-Med-Euro

То је то. Очекивано доминира Paleo-Balkanic, с обзиром да су ти преци Западна Македонија + мањи германски уплив (ако се добро сећам).

Мајчин резултат:

Distance: 2.9591% / 0.02959062
44.2   Early-Slavic
30.2   Paleo-Balkanic
25.6   East-Med-Euro

Њој је отац из Лике - Босанске Крајине, а мајка из североисточне Македоније. Код ње осетно јачи Early-Slavic, али је теби је Paleo-Balkan јачи због Западне Македоније (Илири), а с друге стране њој East-Med-Euro због појачаног тзв. Eastern_Roman_Anatolia на простору Грчке, Бугарске и Источне Македоније.

[OneLove]

Али једе друге компоненте.

Ако се иде том логиком, сваки калкулатор се може штеловати док се не направи идеалан по мери. У овом случају, има логике склонити Балтик, али онда има логике и склонити чист Германик пошто је он у директној корелацији са другим келто-германским компонентама овде (North Adriatic, Alpine, Panonian). Исто важи и за Медитеран и тако можемо док не сведемо на 3 комоненте.

Дајте предлог које просеке овде треба оставити, шта најбоље симулира неки нпр. период Велике сеобе.

Само ово?

Germanic,0.123926,0.130753,0.063643,0.053182,0.038853,0.021314,0.008262,0.004974,0.002449,-0.003866,-0.004535,0.004916,-0.009130,-0.005401,0.016694,0.006442,-0.003732,0.003582,0.007179,0.006067,0.007323,0.001070,0.002053,0.010026,-0.001336
Early-Slavic,0.129471,0.121707,0.070142,0.064739,0.038239,0.024348,0.007002,0.012762,-0.001401,-0.021031,-0.001969,-0.006265,0.015024,0.020210,-0.009954,0.001262,0.005752,-0.000914,0.001103,0.002823,0.000259,-0.004341,0.006920,-0.006772,-0.001240
Paleo-Balkanic,0.123008,0.147855,0.023861,-0.015954,0.030195,-0.007191,0.001060,0.000495,0.006273,0.027387,0.000031,0.007595,-0.013702,-0.003935,-0.008290,-0.003921,0.007116,0.001854,0.006836,-0.005574,-0.007092,0.004808,-0.000243,0.004937,-0.004113
East-Med-Euro,0.105855,0.142174,-0.011691,-0.064277,0.00677,-0.020917,0.00517,-0.004154,0.004295,0.014214,0.008282,0.007044,-0.007136,0.007844,-0.00095,-0.013259,-0.017602,-0.003167,0.013324,-0.004127,-0.004866,-0.008408,0.000123,-0.005422,0.004431

To je cini mi se ok ali iz nekog razloga ne dobijam taj east med.

Ovo je previse paleo balkan
Distance: 2.7646% / 0.02764582
62.2   Paleo-Balkanic
37.2   Early-Slavic
0.6   East-Med-Euro
0.0   Germanic

dodao sam umesto East Med Euro ovo

Stratonikeia_Byzantine,0.1032685,0.1465133,-0.0295183,-0.0603129,-0.0010912,-0.0218548,-0.0007691,-0.0037342,-0.0063401,0.0165503,0.003469,0.0024525,-0.0037435,0.0023771,-0.0134485,0.0013982,0.0098735,-0.0012667,0.0038054,-0.001569,-0.0054223,0.0008993,-0.0008737,0.001435,-0.0020683

Ovo vec ima smisla za mene

[kocovic]

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Zvanično sam Uralo-Latin po broju istih predaka

[Небо_Сав]

Али једе друге компоненте.

Ако се иде том логиком, сваки калкулатор се може штеловати док се не направи идеалан по мери. У овом случају, има логике склонити Балтик, али онда има логике и склонити чист Германик пошто је он у директној корелацији са другим келто-германским компонентама овде (North Adriatic, Alpine, Panonian). Исто важи и за Медитеран и тако можемо док не сведемо на 3 комоненте.

Дајте предлог које просеке овде треба оставити, шта најбоље симулира неки нпр. период Велике сеобе.

Само ово?

Germanic,0.123926,0.130753,0.063643,0.053182,0.038853,0.021314,0.008262,0.004974,0.002449,-0.003866,-0.004535,0.004916,-0.009130,-0.005401,0.016694,0.006442,-0.003732,0.003582,0.007179,0.006067,0.007323,0.001070,0.002053,0.010026,-0.001336
Early-Slavic,0.129471,0.121707,0.070142,0.064739,0.038239,0.024348,0.007002,0.012762,-0.001401,-0.021031,-0.001969,-0.006265,0.015024,0.020210,-0.009954,0.001262,0.005752,-0.000914,0.001103,0.002823,0.000259,-0.004341,0.006920,-0.006772,-0.001240
Paleo-Balkanic,0.123008,0.147855,0.023861,-0.015954,0.030195,-0.007191,0.001060,0.000495,0.006273,0.027387,0.000031,0.007595,-0.013702,-0.003935,-0.008290,-0.003921,0.007116,0.001854,0.006836,-0.005574,-0.007092,0.004808,-0.000243,0.004937,-0.004113
East-Med-Euro,0.105855,0.142174,-0.011691,-0.064277,0.00677,-0.020917,0.00517,-0.004154,0.004295,0.014214,0.008282,0.007044,-0.007136,0.007844,-0.00095,-0.013259,-0.017602,-0.003167,0.013324,-0.004127,-0.004866,-0.008408,0.000123,-0.005422,0.004431

Па и овде су вредности сетова Germanic i  Slavic веома сличне на првих 6-7 димензија (које се  више "питају" него преостале) ,  а и на преосталим димензијама -  вредности  су блиске или се не разликују превише. Редуданса, бато, што би рекли Рани_Словени. )

На пример:   PC1: 0.123926 vs. 0.129471, PC2: 0.130753 vs. 0.121707, PC3: 0.063643 vs. 0.070142, PC4: 0.053182 vs. 0.064739, PC5: 0.038853 vs. 0.038239, PC6: 0.021314 vs. 0.024348, PC7:0.008262 vs. 0.007002, PC8: 0.004974 vs. 0.012762....
Дакле, за нас са Балкана може се изоставити или један или други сет, свеједно je, скоро да не утиче на дистанце.   

[kocovic]

Па и овде су вредности сетова Germanic i  Slavic веома сличне на првих 6-7 димензија (које се  више "питају" него преостале) ,  а и на преосталим димензијама -  вредности  су блиске или се не разликују превише. Редуданса, бато, што би рекли Рани_Словени. )

На пример:   PC1: 0.123926 vs. 0.129471, PC2: 0.130753 vs. 0.121707, PC3: 0.063643 vs. 0.070142, PC4: 0.053182 vs. 0.064739, PC5: 0.038853 vs. 0.038239, PC6: 0.021314 vs. 0.024348, PC7:0.008262 vs. 0.007002, PC8: 0.004974 vs. 0.012762....
Дакле, за нас са Балкана може се изоставити или један или други сет, свеједно je, скоро да не утиче на дистанце.

Dobro zapažanje, kosinusna sličnost je 0.962 (1 je savršena sličnost). Može se jedan od dva izbaciti.

[kocovic]

Evo optimizovane liste da smanje šum:

1) Severozapadna Evropa: Celtic ili prosek Germanic/Gaulish. Ovo pokriva Kelto-Germansko jezgro (visok udeo stepe i rani evropski zemljoradnici).
2) Baltoslovenska grupa: Baltic jer ima najčistiji signal za severoistočnu Evropu. Baltic je ovde sidro za slovensku genetiku.
3) Italo-Iberijci: Italic ili Etruscan jer predstavlja mediteranski profil. Ovde bi se matematički uklopio i Paleo-Balkanic zbog sličnosti, tako da sa Balkana uzimamo Paleo-Balkan.
4) Istočna stepa: Avar, jer je ključan za detekciju istočno-evroazijskog uticaja (avarski period).
5) Uralic: Sadrži specifičan sibirsko-uralski pomak, različit od standardnog slovenskog signala.
6) Južni Mediteran: Phoenician i North-African. Detektuje afro-azijsku i levantsku komponentu koja se razlikuje od evropske.

Tako da bi konačni kalkulator mogao da bude nešto ovako:

Код: [Изабери]

Celtic,0.127028,0.134841,0.060663,0.048063,0.037119,0.017610,0.004106,0.003811,0.005293,0.004777,-0.005678,0.005541,-0.013977,-0.011765,0.019752,0.002326,-0.008887,0.002277,0.003567,0.002808,0.004824,0.002717,-0.001860,0.004879,-0.001028
Baltic,0.1324142,0.1252487,0.0944687,0.0996457,0.051189,0.0390447,0.0144533,0.0183068,-0.0025225,-0.0410637,-0.0027605,-0.0173595,0.0349107,0.0378692,-0.0137983,0.0003978,0.0041507,0.000169,0.0015293,0.0035227,-0.0033898,-0.0078518,0.0082372,-0.0142187,-0.0010177
Avar,0.042704,-0.374514,0.091613,-0.021495,-0.080668,-0.046419,0.017259,0.024745,0.008927,0.011123,-0.011503,0.000701,-0.004218,0.003188,0.002604,0.001067,0.000382,-0.003404,0.001881,0.011153,-0.023158,-0.005006,-0.019134,-0.002583,0.001635
Uralic,0.1013025,-0.0766725,0.1170643,0.0798887,-0.0298259,0.0001861,0.0050721,0.0140959,0.0024544,-0.031132,0.0352926,-0.0101536,0.0188426,-0.0285223,-0.0088781,0.0006629,-0.0022493,0.0013407,-0.0062852,-0.0061384,0.0164397,0.0022464,-0.001366,0.0015061,0.0013972
Phoenician,0.0896355,0.1544874,-0.0500626,-0.093024,-0.011579,-0.036186,-0.004377,-0.0089709,0.0143678,0.0110252,0.0088298,-0.0055264,0.0149775,0.0034232,-0.0122656,0.0037456,-0.0024936,0.0012989,0.0037552,-0.0014069,-0.0009982,0.0043125,-0.0051301,0.0010091,-0.0021105
Paleo-Balkanic,0.123008,0.147855,0.023861,-0.015954,0.030195,-0.007191,0.001060,0.000495,0.006273,0.027387,0.000031,0.007595,-0.013702,-0.003935,-0.008290,-0.003921,0.007116,0.001854,0.006836,-0.005574,-0.007092,0.004808,-0.000243,0.004937,-0.004113
North-African,-0.072847,0.142174,0.003017,-0.072352,0.034776,-0.037371,-0.034312,0.008077,0.08999,0.032985,0.011367,-0.010191,0.027354,-0.016515,0.024701,-0.01485,0.001825,-0.026605,-0.053799,0.008004,-0.015847,-0.044515,0.020829,-0.012532,0.01449


[kocovic]

[OneLove]

Evo optimizovane liste da smanje šum:

1) Severozapadna Evropa: Celtic ili prosek Germanic/Gaulish. Ovo pokriva Kelto-Germansko jezgro (visok udeo stepe i rani evropski zemljoradnici).
2) Baltoslovenska grupa: Baltic jer ima najčistiji signal za severoistočnu Evropu. Baltic je ovde sidro za slovensku genetiku.
3) Italo-Iberijci: Italic ili Etruscan jer predstavlja mediteranski profil. Ovde bi se matematički uklopio i Paleo-Balkanic zbog sličnosti, tako da sa Balkana uzimamo Paleo-Balkan.
4) Istočna stepa: Avar, jer je ključan za detekciju istočno-evroazijskog uticaja (avarski period).
5) Uralic: Sadrži specifičan sibirsko-uralski pomak, različit od standardnog slovenskog signala.
6) Južni Mediteran: Phoenician i North-African. Detektuje afro-azijsku i levantsku komponentu koja se razlikuje od evropske.

Tako da bi konačni kalkulator mogao da bude nešto ovako:

Код: [Изабери]

Celtic,0.127028,0.134841,0.060663,0.048063,0.037119,0.017610,0.004106,0.003811,0.005293,0.004777,-0.005678,0.005541,-0.013977,-0.011765,0.019752,0.002326,-0.008887,0.002277,0.003567,0.002808,0.004824,0.002717,-0.001860,0.004879,-0.001028
Baltic,0.1324142,0.1252487,0.0944687,0.0996457,0.051189,0.0390447,0.0144533,0.0183068,-0.0025225,-0.0410637,-0.0027605,-0.0173595,0.0349107,0.0378692,-0.0137983,0.0003978,0.0041507,0.000169,0.0015293,0.0035227,-0.0033898,-0.0078518,0.0082372,-0.0142187,-0.0010177
Avar,0.042704,-0.374514,0.091613,-0.021495,-0.080668,-0.046419,0.017259,0.024745,0.008927,0.011123,-0.011503,0.000701,-0.004218,0.003188,0.002604,0.001067,0.000382,-0.003404,0.001881,0.011153,-0.023158,-0.005006,-0.019134,-0.002583,0.001635
Uralic,0.1013025,-0.0766725,0.1170643,0.0798887,-0.0298259,0.0001861,0.0050721,0.0140959,0.0024544,-0.031132,0.0352926,-0.0101536,0.0188426,-0.0285223,-0.0088781,0.0006629,-0.0022493,0.0013407,-0.0062852,-0.0061384,0.0164397,0.0022464,-0.001366,0.0015061,0.0013972
Phoenician,0.0896355,0.1544874,-0.0500626,-0.093024,-0.011579,-0.036186,-0.004377,-0.0089709,0.0143678,0.0110252,0.0088298,-0.0055264,0.0149775,0.0034232,-0.0122656,0.0037456,-0.0024936,0.0012989,0.0037552,-0.0014069,-0.0009982,0.0043125,-0.0051301,0.0010091,-0.0021105
Paleo-Balkanic,0.123008,0.147855,0.023861,-0.015954,0.030195,-0.007191,0.001060,0.000495,0.006273,0.027387,0.000031,0.007595,-0.013702,-0.003935,-0.008290,-0.003921,0.007116,0.001854,0.006836,-0.005574,-0.007092,0.004808,-0.000243,0.004937,-0.004113
North-African,-0.072847,0.142174,0.003017,-0.072352,0.034776,-0.037371,-0.034312,0.008077,0.08999,0.032985,0.011367,-0.010191,0.027354,-0.016515,0.024701,-0.01485,0.001825,-0.026605,-0.053799,0.008004,-0.015847,-0.044515,0.020829,-0.012532,0.01449


[kocovic]

Ako se dobro sećam tebi je otac iz Crne Gore, majka neko mesto blizu Rumunije u Vojvodini, tako da je deluje da je normalan rezultat za takvu kombinaciju.