Balkan g25

[OneLove]

Код: [Изабери]

Celts:Hungary_IA_LaTene:I25516,0.133173,0.146236,0.052043,0.022933,0.047393,0.00753,0,-0.006923,0.009408,0.028064,-0.005196,0.013188,-0.016501,-0.004542,0.000679,-0.009016,0.006389,0.000253,-0.003771,0.002501,0.012104,0.013849,-0.000739,-0.009399,-0.003233

Dardanians:Macedonia_IA:I10381,0.136588,0.151314,0.026398,-0.030685,0.029852,0.000279,-0.001175,-0.002538,0.008181,0.049022,-0.000325,0,-0.015758,0.003441,-0.0095,-0.006232,0.006389,0.00152,0.004902,0.005002,-0.008859,-0.000495,0.003081,-0.001205,0.013651
Dardanians:Macedonia_IA:I10379,0.129758,0.149283,0.024136,-0.029716,0.028313,-0.016176,0.005405,-0.000923,0.000205,0.03426,-0.003573,0.011839,-0.010258,-0.003853,-0.017236,0.0118,0.029597,-0.00038,0.006662,-0.002376,-0.018093,0.000866,-0.001232,0.007109,-0.004311

Dalmatia_Illyrians:Croatia_LIA:I18831,0.1161,0.149283,0.039221,-0.00323,0.035083,0.003904,0.001175,0.001154,0.00225,0.023326,-0.007145,0.016635,-0.020515,-0.016515,-0.003529,-0.000133,0.019949,-0.002914,0.00352,0.002251,-0.004492,0.000866,-0.001849,0.008314,-0.008143
Dalmatia_Illyrians:Croatia_EIA:I26742,0.122929,0.152329,0.020742,-0.007106,0.03693,-0.005578,0.003995,0.000692,0.008181,0.026606,0.00406,0.009741,-0.019772,-0.008945,-0.005022,0.002254,0.005346,0.001647,0.011313,-0.008629,-0.002121,0.002473,0.009613,0.002651,-0.005748

Pannonia_Illyrians:Hungary_IA_Syrmian_SremGroup:I18259,0.130897,0.152329,0.031301,-0.013566,0.029544,-0.000279,0.0047,0.002308,0.006136,0.027335,0.005684,0.003897,-0.017393,-0.004817,-0.007329,-0.007823,0.018515,0.000507,0.007793,-0.009254,-0.006114,-0.001607,0.007272,0.004338,-0.006347

Thracians:Bulgaria_LIA:I19500,0.117238,0.1635,0.003017,-0.053618,0.022466,-0.009482,-0.00329,-0.002077,0.00225,0.032438,0.004384,0.008692,-0.016501,0.002064,-0.020222,-0.023071,0.002608,0.005574,0.013827,-0.006253,-0.004492,0.011252,-0.005053,0.006507,-0.006706
Thracians:Bulgaria_IA:I5769,0.125205,0.158423,0.006034,-0.052972,0.031698,-0.02259,0.004465,-0.000231,0.00859,0.032802,0.002598,0.005095,-0.01442,-0.002064,-0.016422,-0.001458,0.012126,0.004941,0.004777,-0.013256,-0.006613,0.000989,-0.004314,0.003615,-0.011256

Germanic:Croatia_Scitarjevo_RomanPeriod_oNorthEurope.SG:R3660.SG,0.136588,0.138112,0.067127,0.05814,0.04647,0.01757,0.012926,0.012461,-0.007772,-0.005285,-0.002598,0.005695,0.006095,-0.00289,0.028366,0.009016,-0.016428,0.000887,0.007039,0.002876,0.004742,-0.002844,0.001232,0.020244,0.002515

Slavic:AUT_EMA:I15232__AD_838,0.129758,0.120848,0.072784,0.05814,0.040623,0.026774,0.002115,0.014999,-0.006545,-0.011845,0.001137,-0.006444,0.01115,0.021882,-0.015744,0.005569,0.004303,0.003421,-0.003142,0.01113,-0.006613,-0.005688,0.00456,-0.000723,0.002155
Slavic:SVK_EMA:I12991__AD_817,0.138864,0.122879,0.07203,0.069445,0.045855,0.020917,0.009165,0.018461,-0.000614,-0.024602,-0.005196,-0.012289,0.026313,0.01913,-0.019001,0.015911,0.026077,-0.003547,0,0.010755,-0.001497,-0.002226,0.006286,-0.007953,0.000239
Slavic:HRV_Brekinjova:I26748__AD_838,0.121791,0.133034,0.067127,0.052649,0.040315,0.025379,0.00517,0.013846,0.001432,-0.02442,0.003085,-0.01094,0.011744,0.024084,-0.005565,-0.017634,-0.010691,-0.006714,0.007165,0.003252,-0.008235,-0.005193,0.012941,-0.002771,0.006107
Slavic:Czech_Medieval:I20515,0.124067,0.132019,0.06675,0.08075,0.046778,0.031794,0.009165,0.010846,0.002863,-0.031162,-0.003735,-0.015286,0.019177,0.018029,-0.017372,-0.00716,0.004303,0.000633,-0.006913,0.004752,-0.010232,0.002226,0.005793,-0.003012,0.002275
Slavic:HUN_Avar_Szolad_Av2,0.134311,0.126941,0.081458,0.065569,0.035391,0.033746,0.00987,0.005769,0.004704,-0.02278,-0.002436,-0.005395,0.01219,0.020643,-0.015201,-0.003845,0.005867,0.004561,0.008673,5e-04,0.001497,-0.00272,0.013804,-0.007109,0.002634
Slavic:Early_Avar_period:RFK106__AD_609,0.12862,0. 128972,0.07731,0.076551,0.040315,0.026774,0.012926 ,0.008307,0.001432,-0.030798,-0.003735,-0.01154,0.01665,0.022432,-0.016829,0.011005,0.025555,0.000887,0.008925,0.008 754,-0.008984,-0.014344,0.000123,-0.005181,0.003592

Rouran_Khaganate:Avar_Core_2:HUN_early_Avar_military_leader:FGD4,0.0387,-0.377777,0.080327,-0.01292,-0.075399,-0.044065,0.016216,0.018922,0.002863,0.006743,-0.023384,0.002398,0.000595,0.000413,0.010315,0.002254,-0.003912,-0.006461,0.003771,0.015883,-0.01148,-0.005317,-0.01861,-0.003976,-0.002874

Sarmatian:HUN_Hun_period:ASZK1__AD_440,0.10927,0.034528,0.046386,0.061047,-0.014772,0.014223,0.00611,-0.000923,-0.022498,-0.032074,0.002273,-0.003147,0.004608,-0.024222,0.014929,0.011668,-0.005737,-0.004687,-0.006662,0.004752,-0.00574,0.004699,-0.001972,0.006025,-0.001916

Roman:SRB_ViminaciumRit:I15489__AD_250,0.112685,0.15436,-0.035449,-0.076228,-0.007694,-0.030678,-0.008695,-0.001385,-0.002863,0.022597,0.007795,0.001349,0.003717,0.018166,-0.005565,-0.014452,-0.005998,0.010388,0.004902,-0.003001,-0.00549,0.011129,-0.002958,-0.005061,0.006586
Roman:HRV_Osijek:I26753__AD_250,0.108132,0.141159,-0.043369,-0.071383,-0.005847,-0.024821,0.003995,-0.002538,-0.006954,0.015308,0.008119,-0.004196,-0.005798,-0.008395,-0.014794,0.008884,0.019818,-0.00266,0.009427,-0.001251,-0.00574,0.004204,-0.004807,-0.003133,-0.001916
Target: Serbian
Distance: 0.5250% / 0.00525004
52.6   Slavic
15.0   Dardanians
13.2   Thracians
9.8   Roman
8.0   Dalmatia_Illyrians
1.0   Germanic
0.4   Rouran_Khaganate


Target: scaled
Distance: 1.4177% / 0.01417722
38.8   Slavic
25.2   Pannonia_Illyrians
14.0   Roman
13.0   Dardanians
8.8   Dalmatia_Illyrians
0.2   Thracians

[filipi]

Target: Filipi
Distance: 0.7622% / 0.00762227
55.2   Slavic
17.6   Dardanians
9.8   Thracians
9.0   Roman
7.6   Germanic
0.6   Dalmatia_Illyrians
0.2   Rouran_Khaganate

Distance to:   Filipi
0.05720450   Slavic:HRV_Brekinjova:I26748__AD_838
0.05724300   Slavic:AUT_EMA:I15232__AD_838
0.06027358   Celts:Hungary_IA_LaTene:I25516
0.06434594   Pannonia_Illyrians:Hungary_IA_Syrmian_SremGroup:I18259
0.06484383   Dalmatia_Illyrians:Croatia_LIA:I18831
0.06740003   Dalmatia_Illyrians:Croatia_EIA:I26742
0.06858904   Slavic:HUN_Avar_Szolad_Av2
0.07190646   Germanic:Croatia_Scitarjevo_RomanPeriod_oNorthEurope.SG:R3660.SG
0.07674263   Slavic:SVK_EMA:I12991__AD_817
0.07822470   Slavic:Czech_Medieval:I20515
0.08040473   Slavic:Early_Avar_period:RFK106__AD_609
0.08481417   Dardanians:Macedonia_IA:I10381
0.08544304   Dardanians:Macedonia_IA:I10379
0.10693780   Thracians:Bulgaria_IA:I5769
0.11034564   Thracians:Bulgaria_LIA:I19500
0.13750863   Sarmatian:HUN_Hun_period:ASZK1__AD_440
0.14754843   Roman:HRV_Osijek:I26753__AD_250
0.14870178   Roman:SRB_ViminaciumRit:I15489__AD_250
0.54096255   Rouran_Khaganate:Avar_Core_2:HUN_early_Avar_military_leader:FGD4

[Владимир Жуњанин]

Target: VladimirZunjanin_scaled
Distance: 1.7358% / 0.01735796
48.0   Slavic
25.8   Roman
13.4   Pannonia_Illyrians
6.0   Dardanians
4.4   Sarmatian
2.4   Dalmatia_Illyrians


Distance to:   VladimirZunjanin_scaled
0.05876618   Pannonia_Illyrians:Hungary_IA_Syrmian_SremGroup:I18259
0.06145152   Dalmatia_Illyrians:Croatia_EIA:I26742
0.06662518   Dalmatia_Illyrians:Croatia_LIA:I18831
0.07064550   Celts:Hungary_IA_LaTene:I25516
0.07236583   Slavic:HRV_Brekinjova:I26748__AD_838
0.07828405   Dardanians:Macedonia_IA:I10381
0.07831067   Slavic:AUT_EMA:I15232__AD_838
0.07963192   Dardanians:Macedonia_IA:I10379
0.08790701   Slavic:HUN_Avar_Szolad_Av2
0.08951078   Germanic:Croatia_Scitarjevo_RomanPeriod_oNorthEurope.SG:R3660.SG
0.09517508   Thracians:Bulgaria_IA:I5769
0.09585034   Thracians:Bulgaria_LIA:I19500
0.09614242   Slavic:Czech_Medieval:I20515
0.09796807   Slavic:SVK_EMA:I12991__AD_817
0.10258166   Slavic:Early_Avar_period:RFK106__AD_609
0.12846409   Roman:SRB_ViminaciumRit:I15489__AD_250
0.12992573   Roman:HRV_Osijek:I26753__AD_250
0.13967464   Sarmatian:HUN_Hun_period:ASZK1__AD_440
0.53946056   Rouran_Khaganate:Avar_Core_2:HUN_early_Avar_military_leader:FGD4

[Душан]

Target: Dušan_scaled
Distance: 2.1688% / 0.02168845
63.4   Slavic
35.4   Thracians
1.2   Rouran_Khaganate

[dko]

da li ovu pojavu dardanaca, koje pre ne vidjah, da shvatimo kao neke nove arheogenetske rezultate koji su se pojavili pa je modeliranje preko njih moguce, ili kao neku vrstu pro-albanske politcke agitacije?

[Arbor]

Target: arbor
Distance: 1.4616% / 0.01461570
54.6   Dardanians
12.8   Thracians
11.2   Slavic
11.0   Pannonia_Illyrians
10.4   Roman

[НиколаВук]

da li ovu pojavu dardanaca, koje pre ne vidjah, da shvatimo kao neke nove arheogenetske rezultate koji su se pojavili pa je modeliranje preko njih moguce, ili kao neku vrstu pro-albanske politcke agitacije?

Претпостављам да су само преименовали оно што се раније водило као "Пеонци" (Paeonians) у тим пресецима.

[kocovic]

da li ovu pojavu dardanaca, koje pre ne vidjah, da shvatimo kao neke nove arheogenetske rezultate koji su se pojavili pa je modeliranje preko njih moguce, ili kao neku vrstu pro-albanske politcke agitacije?

Stvar je u pomešanim babama i žabama ovde. Uzorci iz veoma udaljenih era u istom kalkulatoru...

[OneLove]

da li ovu pojavu dardanaca, koje pre ne vidjah, da shvatimo kao neke nove arheogenetske rezultate koji su se pojavili pa je modeliranje preko njih moguce, ili kao neku vrstu pro-albanske politcke agitacije?

Nema veze ovo sa Albancima. Ta dva uzorka su pronadjena na severu Makedonije, nije nista novo, zvanicno su "Peonci" ali genetika je tu svejedno ista, Dardanci, Paeonci, mesavina Ilira i Tracana.

https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/ancient-human-dna_41837#7/41.476/20.654

[OneLove]

Stvar je u pomešanim babama i žabama ovde. Uzorci iz veoma udaljenih era u istom kalkulatoru...

Slobodan si da postujes tvoj kalkulator.

Nije ovo qpAdm svakako, ne smatraj rezultate kao sveto pismo.

[kocovic]

Slobodan si da postujes tvoj kalkulator.

Nije ovo qpAdm svakako, ne smatraj rezultate kao sveto pismo.

Prevelike su ti vremenske distance između uzoraka. Imaš neke iz gvozdenog doba, a druge iz perioda seoba Slovena. Razlika između epoha kada su živeli ti ljudi je preko 1000 godina. Epohe treba da su približno iste jer se na Balkanu stanovništvo poprilično izmenilo.

[ⲥуⲛцⲉ]

Prevelike su ti vremenske distance između uzoraka. Imaš neke iz gvozdenog doba, a druge iz perioda seoba Slovena. Razlika između epoha kada su živeli ti ljudi je preko 1000 godina. Epohe treba da su približno iste jer se na Balkanu stanovništvo poprilično izmenilo.

Словенски раносредњевјековни узорци могу служити за словенски извор, а за римски извор могу служити или изравно римски раносредњевјековни узорци или узорци из којега се Римљани могу моделовати (или једно или друго, оба у истом није погодно). Како год да окретах, словенски удио ми се кретао од 53-56%, а остатак подијељен међу германским (~13%) и римским (~22%).


Како нам је словенски удио свима становит, оно што је овдје занимљиво, је како се у разним србским крајевима кроји онај римски слој, те је ли више од руралних Римљана који су више задржали предримски карактер или од урбаних који су увелико измијешани с малоазијским римљанима. То јест, питање, колики су Власи потомци романизованих старобалканаца, а колики досељеника из других римских крајева.

[Владимир Жуњанин]

Target: VladimirZunjanin_scaled
Distance: 1.7358% / 0.01735796
25.8   Roman:SRB_ViminaciumRit:I15489__AD_250
18.2   Slavic:HRV_Brekinjova:I26748__AD_838
16.4   Slavic:HUN_Avar_Szolad_Av2
13.4   Pannonia_Illyrians:Hungary_IA_Syrmian_SremGroup:I18259
13.4   Slavic:Czech_Medieval:I20515
6.0   Dardanians:Macedonia_IA:I10379
4.4   Sarmatian:HUN_Hun_period:ASZK1__AD_440
2.4   Dalmatia_Illyrians:Croatia_EIA:I26742

[kocovic]

Словенски раносредњевјековни узорци могу служити за словенски извор, а за римски извор могу служити или изравно римски раносредњевјековни узорци или узорци из којега се Римљани могу моделовати (или једно или друго, оба у истом није погодно). Како год да окретах, словенски удио ми се кретао од 53-56%, а остатак подијељен међу германским (~13%) и римским (~22%).


Како нам је словенски удио свима становит, оно што је овдје занимљиво, је како се у разним србским крајевима кроји онај римски слој, те је ли више од руралних Римљана који су више задржали предримски карактер или од урбаних који су увелико измијешани с малоазијским римљанима. То јест, питање, колики су Власи потомци романизованих старобалканаца, а колики досељеника из других римских крајева.

Preklapanja uzoraka čine da se neke komponente prenaglase.

Npr. recimo da su Rimljani = Iliri/Tračani/Dardanci + Grci/Anatolci/Levant/Bliski Istok.
Ako dobiješ recimo Tračane 35%, Rimljane 20% i Slovene 45%, možda ti je realnija slika da imaš Rimljane 60% i Slovene 40%, ukoliko se ne bi duplirali Balkanci gvozdenog doba kroz Tračane sa jedne strane, a delimično i kroz Rimljane sa druge.

[LMA]

Target: LMA_scaled
Distance: 1.5346% / 0.01534586
40.8   Slavic
38.8   Dardanians
10.6   Thracians
8.4   Roman
1.4   Pannonia_Illyrians

[kocovic]

Target: kocovic_scaled
Distance: 0.4606% / 0.00460635
40.0   Slavic
19.4   Thracians
17.2   Dalmatia_Illyrians
16.6   Roman
4.4   Dardanians
2.4   Germanic

[OneLove]

Prevelike su ti vremenske distance između uzoraka. Imaš neke iz gvozdenog doba, a druge iz perioda seoba Slovena. Razlika između epoha kada su živeli ti ljudi je preko 1000 godina. Epohe treba da su približno iste jer se na Balkanu stanovništvo poprilično izmenilo.

Nista novo nisi rekao, sve je to tako ali svaki kalkulator je takav kao ovaj, ne postoji Sloven u gvozdeno doba zar ne?

Napravi ti neki kalkulator po tebi, stavi uzorke bas pre dolaska slovena, Rimska Dalmacija, Mezija, da ti ne govorim sad sta, ako mislis da tako treba izvoli.

Ali pitanje moje, da li ce da se razlikuju mnogo rezultati od ovih?

Target: Serbian
Distance: 0.5250% / 0.00525004
52.6   Slavic
15.0   Dardanians
13.2   Thracians
9.8   Roman
8.0   Dalmatia_Illyrians
1.0   Germanic
0.4   Rouran_Khaganate

Srbi nisu pola sloveni pola balkanci? Bice razliciti rezultati?

[OneLove]

Target: LMA_scaled
Distance: 1.5346% / 0.01534586
40.8   Slavic
38.8   Dardanians
10.6   Thracians
8.4   Roman
1.4   Pannonia_Illyrians

Odakle si?

[kocovic]

Nista novo nisi rekao, sve je to tako ali svaki kalkulator je takav kao ovaj, ne postoji Sloven u gvozdeno doba zar ne?

Napravi ti neki kalkulator po tebi, stavi uzorke bas pre dolaska slovena, Rimska Dalmacija, Mezija, da ti ne govorim sad sta, ako mislis da tako treba izvoli.

Ali pitanje moje, da li ce da se razlikuju mnogo rezultati od ovih?

Target: Serbian
Distance: 0.5250% / 0.00525004
52.6   Slavic
15.0   Dardanians
13.2   Thracians
9.8   Roman
8.0   Dalmatia_Illyrians
1.0   Germanic
0.4   Rouran_Khaganate

Srbi nisu pola sloveni pola balkanci? Bice razliciti rezultati?

Pa ne, neće Sloveni da se "spuste" dole, vrteće se oko 45-55% jer je taj Poljak suštinski pravio ovaj G25 model da bi našao udeo Balto-Slovenske genetike. Ali druge balkanske i anatolijske komponente mogu da variraju međusobno.

[barbarylion]

Target: Barbarylion256
Distance: 0.6586% / 0.00658601
53.4   Slavic
23.8   Thracians
13.2   Germanic
9.4   Dardanians
0.2   Celts