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mihajlo

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Serbian from dalmatia (Krajina) analysis and results
« послато: август 25, 2013, 05:45:27 поподне »


The Balkan is make up of Bulgarian, Greek and Romanian samples while The east european is make up of Russians, polish, Hungarians and Ukrainian samples.

British and ashkenazi are not real, it's statistical noise. But the east asian (make up of chinese, mongolians, Uyghur, japenese samples) is real and "recent" within 10 generations following chromosome recombination law.




The east asian segment that begins at 208 mb on chromosome 1 and finished at 220 mb. That serbian person possess nucleotides that does not exist among modern europeans. Hence, the  east asian haplotype.




Custom Chromosome painting by Douglas Mcdonald chemistry professor at illinois university and creator of FTDNA's population finder.
The middle east DNA is old and common in the balkan area but the east-asian is rarer and reflect contact with Turkic people like the Tatar.



After phasing of the data, it appears that the east asian is from the paternal side of that person.





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« Одговор #1 послато: август 25, 2013, 06:03:51 поподне »
Ово делује занимљиво. Објасни нам на српском сад, да се не мучимо. :)

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« Одговор #2 послато: август 25, 2013, 06:18:58 поподне »
Михайло, слажем се са Небойшом. Ово би могло бити изузетно користно за поређење. Колико видим, ти си урадио испитивање опште генетике код 23АндМе-а.
Я прѣ 3 недѣље урадих то код ФТДНА-е, па би било яко користно ако бисмо могли упоредити податке на рачуначих Додекада, МДЛП-а и Еурогенес-а. Ако се не сналазиш са тим, могу ти я све то одрадити, и послати и твойе и мойе исходе, ради поређења. То би изискивало да ми некако пошаљеш твойе податке у ЦСВ датотеци. Ако ти йе немило давати свойе личне податке, могу и я теби послати мойе. Шта велиш?
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« Одговор #3 послато: август 25, 2013, 08:38:07 поподне »
Thank you for your interests. Zao mi je, ne mogu odgovoriti na sprskom,  nemam dovoljno recnika :(

Here is the dodecad K12b of that Serbian




Here is the eurogenes k13




The numbers here are correct for a serbian person, or somebody from balkan. Still, the asian number is slightly high.

Also, that person is DPD023 in the dodecad project , you can compare her result toward other serbian here in these spreadsheet :

Dodecad  "WEAC2" https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0ArAJcY18g2GadFRGaHlLRFBxVzJLNzVOekVEaG1OelE#gid=2
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0ArAJcY18g2GadFRGaHlLRFBxVzJLNzVOekVEaG1OelE#gid=0


Dodecad "GLOBE13 " https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0ArAJcY18g2GadF9CLUJnTUdSbkVJaDR2UkRtUE9kaUE#gid=0
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0ArAJcY18g2GadF9CLUJnTUdSbkVJaDR2UkRtUE9kaUE#gid=2

I have her population finder

Continent (Subcontinent)   Population   Percentage   Margin of Error

Europe (Western European)   French, Orcadian   78,48%   ±7,37%
Middle East   Iranian, Jewish, Adygei, Druze    21,52%   ±7,37%

Nadam se ja pomazem !  :)


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« Одговор #4 послато: август 25, 2013, 09:18:56 поподне »
Ево и мойих:

K12b

Gedrosia 2.72
Siberian 1.20
Northwest_African 0.76
Southeast_Asian 0.26
Atlantic_Med 29.15
North_European 37.97
South_Asian 0.07
East_African 0.00
Southwest_Asian 6.30
East_Asian 0.07
Caucasus 21.49
Sub_Saharan 0.00


Eurogenes K13 Admixture Proportions

North European   45.85%
West African   -   
Mediterranean   30.17%
Northeast African   0.44%
North Eurasian   1.13%
South Asian   -   
Southwest Asian   4.78%
Pygmy   -   
Caucasus   10.34%
East Siberian   -   
East Asian   0.90%
Amerindian   -   
West Central Asian   6.39%

ФТДНА:

Europe (Western European)     French, Orcadian     89.10%     ±8.43%
Middle East    Palestinian, Iranian, Jewish, Adygei, Bedouin, Bedouin South, Druze    10.90%    ±8.43%


Ова прва два су ни прилично слична. Очекивах да ће далматински узорак имати више сѣверне Европе од мене.

Имаш ли остале? И йел ти писанийе долѣ од Дага МекДоналда?
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« Одговор #5 послато: август 26, 2013, 05:50:29 поподне »
Thank you for your numbers and your FTDNA.

I would say that you have a slightly higher northern/north eastern european (slavic) DNA than my mother. This is well represented by the north eurasian and the siberian in eurogenes and dodecad as well as the "Orcadian" at FTDNA since northern and eastern slavic people have higher numbers of eurasian and siberian as what I saw.

Have you uploaded your raw data at gedmatch.com ?

By the way, I did not mention that the results are from my mother ( I didnt post my own results because my father is French)

No, the writings are from me, from the interpretations that I learned from other results I compared and from other discussions I had on different forums since 2 years ago.

Douglas Mcdonald also sent with the chromosome painting his interpretation with these numbers of population similarity :

The following are possible population sets and their fractions,
most likely at the top
   
Poland= 0.473     Tuscan= 0.527 or
   Germany= 0.303    Romania= 0.697 or
   English= 0.331    Romania= 0.669 or
    Poland= 0.237    Romania= 0.763 or
   Hungary= 0.736     Tuscan= 0.264 or
     Irish= 0.254    Romania= 0.746 or
     Irish= 0.500     Tuscan= 0.500 or
    Poland= 0.603     Sicily= 0.397 or
Lithuania= 0.398     Tuscan= 0.602 or
   Hungary= 0.826     Sicily= 0.174

Second most likely fit is 78.2% (+-  8.4%) Europe (various subcontinents)
and 21.8% (+-  8.4%) Mideast (various subcontinents)
 
The following are possible population sets and their fractions,
most likely at the top
    French= 0.841     Adygei= 0.159 or
   Germany= 0.695     Jewish= 0.305 or
    French= 0.889    Iranian= 0.111 or
   English= 0.725     Jewish= 0.275 or
    Poland= 0.623     Jewish= 0.377 or
   English= 0.788   Armenian= 0.212 or
    French= 0.874   Georgian= 0.126 or
   Germany= 0.789      Druze= 0.211 or
   Germany= 0.730  Sephardic= 0.270 or
    French= 0.868    Turkish= 0.132


Douglas said that the population set are normal for a Serbian and there is explanation for the extra segments of east asian that they likely appeared during the time frame of ottoman times with population displacement and contact with turkic people like the Tatar, in some cases.

The second likely fit of population is almost the same as the result at FTDNA I posted.


My mother also plot correctly among balkan people as you can see on that PCA map by Doug. Usually, Serbians, plot within Romanians and Hungarians samples or closer to One of the two, it depends.




I can also link results from other Serbians at 23andme but I feel guilty because they are not from my family.


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« Одговор #6 послато: август 26, 2013, 06:29:41 поподне »
Thank you for your numbers and your FTDNA.

I would say that you have a slightly higher northern/north eastern european (slavic) DNA than my mother. This is well represented by the north eurasian and the siberian in eurogenes and dodecad as well as the "Orcadian" at FTDNA since northern and eastern slavic people have higher numbers of eurasian and siberian as what I saw.

Depends on calculator. I noticed your mother have north european on globe13 46.4%, more than me (44.28%) and also more than serb median (44.4) on Dodecad. Similar is on weac 2 (your mother 67.7, I 65.86, serb median 66.6).

globe13

Siberian 1.17
Amerindian 0.00
West_African 0.00
Palaeo_African 0.07
Southwest_Asian 9.89
East_Asian 0.42
Mediterranean 32.12
Australasian 0.10
Arctic 0.21
West_Asian 11.62
North_European 44.28
South_Asian 0.09
East_African 0.02

Serb_D 6 узорака 0 0 0 0 9.2 0.1 31.2 0 0 15 44.4 0 0


weac2

Palaeoafrican 0.09
Atlantic_Baltic 65.86
Northeast_Asian 1.70
Near_East 29.72
Sub_Saharan 0.00
South_Asian 2.34
Southeast_Asian 0.29

Serb_D 5 узорака 0 66.6 1 29.2 0 3.1 0.1


Have you uploaded your raw data at gedmatch.com ?

Yes, I have. I shall sent you my number in private message.

By the way, I did not mention that the results are from my mother ( I didnt post my own results because my father is French)

No, the writings are from me, from the interpretations that I learned from other results I compared and from other discussions I had on different forums since 2 years ago.

Douglas Mcdonald also sent with the chromosome painting his interpretation with these numbers of population similarity :

The following are possible population sets and their fractions,
most likely at the top
   
Poland= 0.473     Tuscan= 0.527 or
   Germany= 0.303    Romania= 0.697 or
   English= 0.331    Romania= 0.669 or
    Poland= 0.237    Romania= 0.763 or
   Hungary= 0.736     Tuscan= 0.264 or
     Irish= 0.254    Romania= 0.746 or
     Irish= 0.500     Tuscan= 0.500 or
    Poland= 0.603     Sicily= 0.397 or
Lithuania= 0.398     Tuscan= 0.602 or
   Hungary= 0.826     Sicily= 0.174

Second most likely fit is 78.2% (+-  8.4%) Europe (various subcontinents)
and 21.8% (+-  8.4%) Mideast (various subcontinents)
 
The following are possible population sets and their fractions,
most likely at the top
    French= 0.841     Adygei= 0.159 or
   Germany= 0.695     Jewish= 0.305 or
    French= 0.889    Iranian= 0.111 or
   English= 0.725     Jewish= 0.275 or
    Poland= 0.623     Jewish= 0.377 or
   English= 0.788   Armenian= 0.212 or
    French= 0.874   Georgian= 0.126 or
   Germany= 0.789      Druze= 0.211 or
   Germany= 0.730  Sephardic= 0.270 or
    French= 0.868    Turkish= 0.132


Douglas said that the population set are normal for a Serbian and there is explanation for the extra segments of east asian that they likely appeared during the time frame of ottoman times with population displacement and contact with turkic people like the Tatar, in some cases.

The second likely fit of population is almost the same as the result at FTDNA I posted.


My mother also plot correctly among balkan people as you can see on that PCA map by Doug. Usually, Serbians, plot within Romanians and Hungarians samples or closer to One of the two, it depends.



Thanks you very much this, I searched internet for days for such painting with serb result. I saw many of such paintings, but not with serb. It look to me like I thought it to be, after comparing results on dodecad for serbs and me. I expected serbs should be beetween Romanians and Hungarians, but closer to first. I had noticed Serbs had more north europe than Romanians, but much less than Hungarians.

I can also link results from other Serbians at 23andme but I feel guilty because they are not from my family.
Please link it. It would be very interesting, especially if you know from where they are. Especially graphs like this!

Question for you. Do you know Y-haplogruop of your mother's family? And mtDNA haplogroup of hers?
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