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« Одговор #140 послато: Март 22, 2018, 03:24:19 поподне »
Нисам сигуран да је гепидски узорак потпуно хунског порекла, провукао сам узорак кроз Global 25 Давидског, није превише близак ни једном древном ни савременом становништву. Резултат указује на мешавину средњеазијског становништва попут Скита (можда баш Хуни), Германа и евентуално неког балканског становништва:

[1] "distance%=2.0205"

         Gepid_Serbia_ACD:VIM_2

Scythian_ZevakinoChilikta,38
Nordic_IA,19
Vinca_MN,18.4
Germany_Medieval_outlier,9.6
Germany_Medieval,7.2
Karasuk_outlier,4.2
Ust_Ishim,3
Iberia_BA,0.6

Изгледа као да је један родитељ средњеазијског, а други мешаног германско-балканског порекла...
Иначе, један од ближих узорака овом гепидском је IR1 из Мађарске.

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« Одговор #141 послато: Март 22, 2018, 03:32:23 поподне »
Изгледа као да је један родитељ средњеазијског, а други мешаног германско-балканског порекла...
Иначе, један од ближих узорака овом гепидском је IR1 из Мађарске.

Та поклапања са IR1 су због азијске генетике, или нечег другог?
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« Одговор #142 послато: Март 22, 2018, 03:48:48 поподне »
Па сигурно да је због сличне мешавине, која укључује степску и азијску генетику, е сад је питање да ли се IR1 може довести у везу са гепидским узорком у смислу да је IR1 предачки у односу на гепидски узорак. Мени не личи на тако нешто...

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« Одговор #143 послато: Март 31, 2018, 09:36:38 поподне »
Данас је изашао рад о старој ДНК са простора јужне и централне Азије. Број обрађених старих узорака = 362

The Genomic Formation of South and Central Asia

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/early/2018/03/31/292581
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https://www.biorxiv.org/content/biorxiv/suppl/2018/03/31/292581.DC1/292581-1.pdf


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« Одговор #144 послато: Март 31, 2018, 10:07:11 поподне »
Могли би наши стручњаци за стару ДНК да виде има ли шта интересантно. Видех да има доста R1a, R1b (Y-DNA). Ту су и двојица J2b (xM241) из Ирана (око 6000 пре н. е.). Од раније имамо онај узорак J2b* са Загроса.

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« Одговор #145 послато: Април 01, 2018, 10:02:03 пре подне »
Могли би наши стручњаци за стару ДНК да виде има ли шта интересантно. Видех да има доста R1a, R1b (Y-DNA). Ту су и двојица J2b (xM241) из Ирана (око 6000 пре н. е.). Од раније имамо онај узорак J2b* са Загроса.

Ови узорци J2b пронађени су заједно са R1b1a1a2a2-M269 (Z2103?), 6000-5700 пре н. е (Hajji Firuz). Нема детаљнијих информација за сада.

Невезано за стару ДНК, на FTDNA се недавно појавио један J2b-M12+/M102-.

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« Одговор #146 послато: Април 06, 2018, 09:07:32 поподне »
Ови узорци J2b пронађени су заједно са R1b1a1a2a2-M269 (Z2103?), 6000-5700 пре н. е (Hajji Firuz). Нема детаљнијих информација за сада.

Невезано за стару ДНК, на FTDNA се недавно појавио један J2b-M12+/M102-.

Мислим да су потврдили да је R1b из Хаџи Фируза заиста Z2103. Као и са оним радом о геномској историји Европе, и овде је старост узорка премашила прогнозе Yfull-a о настанку СНП-а (по Yfull-у горња граница настанка Z2103 је 4800. п.н.е.). Сад, питање је да ли могу да установе нешто низводније од Z2103? Било би занимљиво ако би могла и нижа подграна да се извуче.
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« Одговор #147 послато: Април 19, 2018, 09:28:12 пре подне »
 Ево један линк археогенетике евроазијске степе
https://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/PRJEB20658

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« Одговор #148 послато: Мај 09, 2018, 10:04:47 поподне »
Данас су изашла два велика рада, са преко 200 нових древних узорака:

137 ancient human genomes from across the Eurasian steppes

The first horse herders and the impact of early Bronze Age steppe expansions into Asia

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« Одговор #149 послато: Мај 10, 2018, 09:23:00 поподне »
Данас су изашла два велика рада, са преко 200 нових древних узорака:

The first horse herders and the impact of early Bronze Age steppe expansions into Asia

Што се тиче J групе из овог рада:

Namazga_CA DA379 J-L134 J-M304 J
Namazga_CA DA381 J-L26 J-L26 J2a1
Anatolia_EBA MA2212 J-L559 J-M410 J2a
Anatolia_MLBA MA2200 J-L26 J-L26 J2a1
Anatolia_MLBA MA2205 J-L27 J-L26 J2a1



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The genetic prehistory of the Greater Caucasus

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Има прилично R1b, а детектоване су изгледа Q1a и L. Од J су ту:

I2055 Unakozovskaya 6533.0 Eneolithic Caucasus R1a J
 I2056 Unakozovskaya 6477.5 Eneolithic Caucasus R1a J2a
 OSS001.A0101 Nogir 3 5570.0 Maykop J2a1
 I6268 Klady 5564.0 Maykop Novosvobodnaya R1a J2a1
 I6266 Klady 5200.0 Maykop Novosvobodnaya X2f J2a1
 I2051 Marchenkova Gora, D13 3260.0 Dolmen LBA H6a1a2a J
 KDC001.A0101 Kudachurt 3823.5 MBA North Caucasus X2i J2b

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The genetic prehistory of the Greater Caucasus

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/early/2018/05/16/322347.figures-only

Има прилично R1b, а детектоване су изгледа Q1a и L. Од J су ту:

I2055 Unakozovskaya 6533.0 Eneolithic Caucasus R1a J
 I2056 Unakozovskaya 6477.5 Eneolithic Caucasus R1a J2a
 OSS001.A0101 Nogir 3 5570.0 Maykop J2a1
 I6268 Klady 5564.0 Maykop Novosvobodnaya R1a J2a1
 I6266 Klady 5200.0 Maykop Novosvobodnaya X2f J2a1
 I2051 Marchenkova Gora, D13 3260.0 Dolmen LBA H6a1a2a J
 KDC001.A0101 Kudachurt 3823.5 MBA North Caucasus X2i J2b

Занимљиво је да се хаплогрупа L јавља искључиво у оквиру касне мајкопске културе. Иначе, суседи мајкопске културе (3700-3000. п.н.е.) су Јамна на северу и Кура-Араксес на југу.

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« Одговор #152 послато: Мај 22, 2018, 10:58:32 пре подне »
Мислио сам да сајт Jean Manco неће више моћи да се нађе на мрежи, али изгледа да постоје опције као што су web.archive.org
Задњи уноси на сајту су били крајем 2017. године. Ово је списак научних радова који су третирали древну днк,а које је Jean Manco користила као извор. Мислим да је корисно имати овакав списак на једном мјесту. Списак је закључно са септембром 2017. године.

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