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« Одговор #20 послато: Децембар 15, 2022, 09:32:01 поподне »
G25 координате настале симулацијом из Eurogenes K36, се са тачношћу преко 90% поклапају са онима које направи тај Пољак Давидски.

Конвертер: https://www.exploreyourdna.com/simulated-g25.aspx

https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/42566-Tool-for-converting-K36-to-G25-coordinates?s=88a3188763253c4d8d5ba0d6aaf1bbf9



Нисам рекао ништа против. :) Само наглашавам да су оригинали, за оне које занима.

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« Одговор #21 послато: Децембар 15, 2022, 09:42:15 поподне »
Чисто ради упоредбе резултати једне Украјинке из Николајева која има и Лезгинске коријене преко дједа

Target: K36Alia
Distance: 2.5466% / 0.02546603
33.4   HUN_Avar_Szolad(Sloven_Panonija)
27.2   SVN_Germanic
19.8   TUR_Marmara_Ilipinar_Byz3(Sloven_Anadolija)
7.8           HRV_Roman_MiddleEast
4.8           SRB_Roman_MiddleEast
4.6      IND_Roopkund_A
2.4           HRV_EMA_Avar_Asian

Distance to:   K36Alia
0.04941868   TUR_Marmara_Ilipinar_Byz3(Sloven_Anadolija)
0.05000668   HUN_Avar_Szolad(Sloven_Panonija)
0.05126326   HUN_Avar_Gepidian
0.06458861   SVN_Germanic:R10474
0.08931220   SVN_Emona
0.08981400   HRV_North_Roman
0.09662198   HUN_Avar_RomanThracian
0.10521940   HUN_MA_Szolad_Local
0.10637781   HRV_LateAntiquity
0.11188802   HRV_Roman
0.11237693   SRB_Roman
0.11677664   MNE_Roman
0.13317542   HRV_EMA_Avar_Asian
0.14422800   HRV_Roman_MiddleEast
0.15105915   GRC_Marathon_Rom
0.16125160   SRB_Roman_MiddleEast
0.16318926   BGR_RomByz(Thracian)
0.30846876   IND_Roopkund_A
0.31790230   ROU_Ploiesti_MA
Лијеп бит није лијеп се родит,
јербо љепоти може се научит;
а кад душом љепује человјек,
које вањско с тијем поредит?

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« Одговор #22 послато: Децембар 15, 2022, 09:44:52 поподне »
Поријекло Подкозарије и сјеверно Подриње
G25 координате симуловане

Target: G25Drazen
Distance: 1.0904% / 0.01090438
38.0   HUN_Avar_Szolad(Sloven_Panonija)
32.0   HUN_Avar_RomanThracian
21.2   TUR_Marmara_Ilipinar_Byz3(Sloven_Anadolija)
5.8           SVN_Germanic
2.4           SRB_Roman_MiddleEast
0.6       IND_Roopkund_A

Distance to:   G25Drazen
0.03213710   HUN_Avar_Gepidian
0.03903775   TUR_Marmara_Ilipinar_Byz3(Sloven_Anadolija)
0.04888428   HUN_Avar_Szolad(Sloven_Panonija)
0.06208535   SVN_Emona
0.06439745   HRV_North_Roman
0.07103884   HUN_Avar_RomanThracian
0.07679159   SVN_Germanic:R10474
0.07926792   HUN_MA_Szolad_Local
0.08322681   HRV_LateAntiquity
0.08342239   SRB_Roman
0.08362174   HRV_Roman
0.09315226   MNE_Roman
0.13021172   HRV_Roman_MiddleEast
0.13590117   GRC_Marathon_Rom
0.13671310   BGR_RomByz(Thracian)
0.13796588   HRV_EMA_Avar_Asian
0.14639895   SRB_Roman_MiddleEast
0.32459367   IND_Roopkund_A
0.33318552   ROU_Ploiesti_MA

Ово је кластер аварских узорака из источне Мађарске без много азијске или словенске генетике, а богати су микењанско-трачком и aнадолском. По Y-ДНК су углавном E-V13.

Дођу нешто као они Куберови Сермезијанци. Нису баш из Срема, али свакако су неког сличног постанка.

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« Одговор #23 послато: Децембар 15, 2022, 09:49:04 поподне »
Јесте. Овдје би требали бити сви релевантни узорци за западни Балкан у доба доесељења Словена:

BGR_RomByz(Thracian),0.114961,0.180764,0.000754,-0.055556,0.023081,-0.02008,-0.00611,0.000462,0.017998,0.043737,-0.008607,0.001649,-0.024678,-0.017616,-0.021444,-0.00716,0.020079,-0.013302,-0.006913,-0.004752,-0.013227,0.016075,-0.006655,0.023377,-0.008981
GRC_Marathon_Rom,0.104717,0.146236,-0.02753,-0.065569,-0.000308,-0.023985,0.00188,-0.004846,-0.003068,0.005467,0.014615,0.001349,0.001338,0.001514,-0.009772,0.012066,0.024773,-0.008235,0.008296,-0.001751,-0.002745,-0.003462,0.003328,0.000361,-0.003473
HRV_EMA_Avar_Asian,0.097888,0.023357,0.015839,-0.014535,0.002154,-0.003626,0.003055,0.001154,-0.002045,0.000729,-0.005196,0.006294,-0.003717,-0.002477,0.001357,-0.018563,-0.015385,-0.002154,0.005279,0.008129,-0.005116,0.007543,-0.00949,-0.000723,0.001557
HRV_LateAntiquity,0.1154355,0.1479288,0.0068825,-0.0278049,0.0215679,-0.012643,0.0006267,0.0002501,0.0032212,0.0207293,-0.0007172,0.0055577,-0.0124378,-0.0015941,-0.0089237,0.0011823,0.0068452,-0.0021643,0.0030065,-0.0046376,-0.0064781,0.0000824,-0.0012325,0.0013958,-0.0000998
HRV_North_Roman,0.119059,0.1494858,0.0242866,-0.0114342,0.0301594,-0.0068606,0.000705,0.0015232,0.0029042,0.0186974,0.000487,0.0056348,-0.0119226,-0.0068538,-0.0040714,-0.005171,-0.0002348,0.0010894,0.0072152,-0.0068784,-0.0041676,0.0036846,-0.0001972,0.004049,-0.0021556
HRV_Roman_MiddleEast,0.1069937,0.1428513,-0.030295,-0.055879,-0.0006153,-0.020266,-0.005797,-0.004923,-0.0114533,0.0142143,0.0053043,0.0061447,-0.000892,-0.0050003,-0.0102693,0.003536,0.0169933,-0.0023647,0.000419,-0.0040853,-0.0054487,-0.0010717,-0.003533,0.0012853,-0.0009983
HRV_Roman,0.1211076,0.1549698,0.0158392,-0.0264214,0.0300362,-0.0102632,-0.001128,0.0003692,0.0103488,0.031126,0.0019488,0.0049158,-0.0117442,-0.0037158,-0.0120246,-0.0086714,0.0002348,0.00299,0.0074414,-0.0078538,-0.0029198,0.0039076,0.001405,0.0016628,-0.0028736
HUN_Avar_Gepidian,0.1273193,0.1353556,0.0471401,0.024871,0.0350834,0.0075699,0.0018464,0.0036591,0.0041196,0.006118,-0.0036884,0.0036183,-0.0061799,-0.0032243,0.0048861,0.0062126,0.0029057,0.0038189,0.0057101,0.000661,0.003387,0.0017489,0.0018664,0.0087446,-0.0036951
HUN_Avar_RomanThracian,0.1197355,0.1455594,0.0154515,-0.0203849,0.0245771,-0.0076928,0.0002089,-0.0000256,0.0025452,0.0214988,0.000785,0.0049623,-0.0105797,0.0019306,-0.0104354,-0.0032338,0.0041034,0.0006827,0.00669,-0.0055408,-0.0059859,0.0039706,0.000017,0.0030961,-0.0028772
HUN_Avar_Szolad(Sloven_Panonija),0.133173,0.131511,0.07071,0.056848,0.0350835,0.028726,0.006815,0.0077305,0.006136,-0.016492,-0.0016235,-0.0060695,0.00773,0.021538,-0.0115365,-0.0017235,0,0.0013305,0.007856,5e-04,0.0007485,-0.004204,0.0083805,-0.006145,0.0030535
HUN_MA_Szolad_Local,0.1177254,0.151314,0.0157311,-0.0240866,0.0265981,-0.0119923,-0.0001343,-0.0016483,0.0063989,0.0262421,0.000951,0.0072791,-0.0122114,-0.0025757,-0.0056226,-0.0020834,0.0066681,0.0003257,0.0056026,-0.0035373,-0.0058647,0.0034974,0.0018136,0.000809,-0.004311
IND_Roopkund_A,0.0456004,-0.0622011,-0.1456394,0.1089727,-0.0717441,0.0594735,-0.0012631,0.0111052,0.037006,0.0210711,-0.0030548,-0.0002436,0.0001673,0.0026149,-0.0040969,-0.0050965,-0.0007741,0.0004197,-0.0004321,0.0016258,0.0017312,-0.0013061,0.0016253,0.0027336,-0.0037796
MNE_Roman,0.113823,0.153345,0.013576,-0.032623,0.016618,-0.013945,0.00517,-0.004846,-0.000409,0.029158,-0.006171,0.004646,-0.015758,-0.000138,-0.011808,-0.015646,-0.004303,0.008488,0.007919,-0.011005,-0.000624,0.007048,-0.003821,-0.004458,-0.004191
ROU_Ploiesti_MA,0.078538,-0.177718,0.06675,0.028747,-0.053856,-0.006693,0.012691,0.014307,-0.007567,-0.011845,-0.007795,-0.005245,0.001784,-0.01913,0.001086,-0.008221,-0.001304,0.005321,0.00176,0.005002,-0.015473,0.009027,-0.007641,-0.000723,0.005029
SRB_Roman_MiddleEast,0.095042,0.148267,-0.037901,-0.067184,-0.0092325,-0.023566,0.000705,-0.006115,-0.0016365,0.0174035,0.0002435,0.000075,0.0081765,0.002202,-0.0095,-0.0062315,0.0000655,0.001837,0.012821,-0.0044395,-0.0088595,0.004266,-0.0030195,-0.003856,0.00012
SRB_Roman,0.121601,0.155376,0.0147707,-0.0269167,0.031339,-0.0101332,0.00094,0.0043077,0.0062722,0.0310408,0.0033558,0.0088423,-0.0128343,0.0005273,-0.0163997,-0.0062537,0.0057587,-0.0007602,0.007877,-0.0078372,-0.0089425,0.0031737,-0.0026293,0.0031932,-0.0017362
SVN_Emona,0.1206522,0.1475055,0.0247015,-0.011951,0.024543,-0.007112,0.0035838,0.0026538,0.0056245,0.0227795,0.0012178,0.0058072,-0.0095515,0.0019268,-0.0095345,-0.0009612,0.0084748,-0.0005382,0.000817,-0.0017508,-0.0027762,0.0018238,0.0028345,0.0032835,-0.0050292
SVN_Germanic:R10474,0.133173,0.121864,0.072784,0.06783,0.040931,0.026774,0.008225,0.006692,-0.006545,-0.010205,-0.002436,0.007493,-0.011298,-0.006331,0.02158,0.023468,0.017211,0.003927,0.008296,0.010005,0.011605,0.001484,0.007395,0.010845,-0.005029
TUR_Marmara_Ilipinar_Byz3(Sloven_Anadolija),0.130897,0.133034,0.065242,0.037791,0.043085,0.008646,0.008225,0.019615,-0.005931,-0.016401,0.00065,-0.007343,0.008771,0.019955,-0.008143,0.003447,0.009257,-0.004434,-0.004651,-0.002626,-0.007736,-0.005193,0.011216,-0.007712,-0.007664

Да ли имаш ове узорке у Еурогенес К36 или К13 формату?

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« Одговор #24 послато: Децембар 15, 2022, 10:02:29 поподне »
Чисто ради упоредбе резултати једне Украјинке из Николајева која има и Лезгинске коријене преко дједа

Target: K36Alia
Distance: 2.5466% / 0.02546603
33.4   HUN_Avar_Szolad(Sloven_Panonija)
27.2   SVN_Germanic
19.8   TUR_Marmara_Ilipinar_Byz3(Sloven_Anadolija)
7.8           HRV_Roman_MiddleEast
4.8           SRB_Roman_MiddleEast
4.6      IND_Roopkund_A
2.4           HRV_EMA_Avar_Asian

Distance to:   K36Alia
0.04941868   TUR_Marmara_Ilipinar_Byz3(Sloven_Anadolija)
0.05000668   HUN_Avar_Szolad(Sloven_Panonija)
0.05126326   HUN_Avar_Gepidian
0.06458861   SVN_Germanic:R10474
0.08931220   SVN_Emona
0.08981400   HRV_North_Roman
0.09662198   HUN_Avar_RomanThracian
0.10521940   HUN_MA_Szolad_Local
0.10637781   HRV_LateAntiquity
0.11188802   HRV_Roman
0.11237693   SRB_Roman
0.11677664   MNE_Roman
0.13317542   HRV_EMA_Avar_Asian
0.14422800   HRV_Roman_MiddleEast
0.15105915   GRC_Marathon_Rom
0.16125160   SRB_Roman_MiddleEast
0.16318926   BGR_RomByz(Thracian)
0.30846876   IND_Roopkund_A
0.31790230   ROU_Ploiesti_MA

пробај ове координате за њу:
RUS_Alan_MA,0.109953,0.104599,-0.025418,-0.008979,-0.026282,0.005132,0.005452,-0.007246,-0.045691,-0.024821,0.002826,0.009831,-0.016680,-0.006578,0.005809,-0.002758,0.005372,-0.005904,-0.005732,0.003477,0.003893,0.006529,0.001553,-0.000409,-0.003664
RUS_MA_Baltic,0.124637,0.128972,0.078253,0.075582,0.042931,0.031096,0.004818,0.015923,-0.001125,-0.029158,-0.003654,-0.009742,0.017319,0.021194,-0.011265,0.009812,0.009649,-0.005891,0.001194,0.005878,-0.003993,-0.006183,0.009059,-0.000181,0.003952
RUS_MA_mixedSlavViking,0.119799,0.116278,0.072407,0.053295,0.038392,0.020150,0.009577,0.012519,0.001227,-0.021003,-0.001827,-0.003522,0.005092,0.007260,0.001357,0.007160,-0.002836,-0.007570,0.002357,0.004877,0.009265,-0.002102,0.004160,0.001958,-0.007095
RUS_MA_viking_Scandinavian,0.123925,0.120594,0.073067,0.063853,0.041277,0.021475,0.004906,0.009130,0.005778,-0.010012,-0.003177,0.000496,-0.003540,-0.003105,0.013470,0.010798,-0.001980,0.002185,0.004533,0.002822,0.005615,0.000634,-0.002018,0.011786,0.001452
RUS_MA_viking_WestEuro,0.118376,0.139128,0.061848,0.031977,0.033545,0.017849,0.008930,0.007384,0.008385,0.001458,-0.004384,0.006744,-0.010555,-0.018717,0.019001,0.010475,-0.010431,0.001140,-0.001131,-0.002001,0.001123,0.002349,-0.000986,0.002892,-0.000239
UKR_MA,0.124067,0.125926,0.061471,0.050711,0.030929,0.016176,0.005993,0.014076,-0.005625,-0.015855,0.001218,-0.006070,0.017022,0.026286,-0.016354,-0.000862,-0.002087,-0.002091,0.000189,0.002439,-0.003744,-0.007357,0.009367,-0.007230,0.003832
UKR_MA_Viking,0.126913,0.116278,0.081647,0.065246,0.044470,0.019383,0.006228,0.008884,0.001943,-0.015035,0.004060,0.000300,0.000744,-0.003303,0.013912,-0.006762,-0.020927,0.004751,0.001194,0.001313,0.004555,0.001175,0.001602,0.009279,0.001377
UKR_Crimea_Greek,0.104717,0.125926,-0.010559,-0.034884,-0.008617,-0.017012,-0.002585,-0.004615,-0.023111,-0.000729,0.005196,-0.003747,-0.006541,0.002615,-0.002036,-0.005834,0.001043,-0.011402,-0.005782,0.004877,0.006239,0.011994,0.005916,0.008073,-0.004431
RUS_Nomad_MA,0.087644,-0.090382,0.050534,0.031331,-0.036314,-0.008925,0.003760,0.007384,-0.009613,-0.016037,-0.007632,-0.001499,0.002527,-0.007019,-0.002172,-0.007425,-0.011735,0.004814,0.004022,-0.001000,-0.004243,0.008779,0.001972,-0.000120,-0.002754
RUS_Saltovo-Mayaki_low_res,0.117238,0.100537,-0.013953,-0.016150,-0.052317,0.004462,-0.003760,0.021922,-0.068311,-0.029158,-0.007795,0.022930,-0.012933,0.014450,0.026330,-0.036197,0.020731,-0.000760,-0.021494,0.011881,0.007362,-0.004699,-0.010846,-0.009158,-0.003832
BEL_MA:BEL024,0.134311,0.136081,0.065242,0.04522,0.038469,0.031515,0.003525,0.011538,0.003272,-0.012757,0.000974,-0.013938,0.019177,0.025185,-0.00475,0.002784,0.00326,0.00266,0.01345,0.001876,0.001248,-0.002844,-0.002218,-0.011809,-0.005628
RUS_earlyModern,0.125368,0.1031489,0.0740236,0.0635849,0.0320497,0.0211959,0.0073189,0.0133183,-0.003097,-0.022389,0.0001856,-0.0083713,0.0165651,0.0202896,-0.0109737,0.0003029,0.0033341,-0.0032759,0.0046689,0.0014471,-0.0003744,-0.0030913,0.0066906,-0.0004304,-0.0017107
RUS_MA_Slavic,0.1202255,0.1162781,0.0689659,0.0620564,0.0305055,0.0208124,0.0093709,0.0121149,-0.0002299,-0.0193169,-0.0018269,-0.0069501,0.0146431,0.0240324,-0.0077701,-0.0018728,0.0007986,-0.0036741,0.0020428,0.0027044,0.000265,-0.0061674,0.006794,-0.0061904,-0.004416
Rus_IA_FinnoUgric,0.1152459,0.0307198,0.0921116,0.088179,0.0026158,0.0160015,0.0117212,0.0158648,-0.00565,-0.0413678,0.0132145,-0.0100972,0.0231725,0.0002409,-0.0129442,-0.00121,0.0021512,-0.001346,-0.0039438,0.002345,0.0038838,-0.0019321,0.0021412,-0.0068834,0.0008382
RUS_MA_south,0.117807,0.1005375,0.045066,0.0285855,0.018157,0.008646,0.0019975,0.0088845,-0.0076695,-0.006014,-0.0014615,-0.003297,0.000595,0.0158955,-0.0093645,-0.0042425,-0.002868,0.0025335,0.0063475,-0.008129,-0.0013725,-0.002473,0.004314,-0.0050605,0.001437
RUS_MA_mixedSlavFinnic,0.1175222,0.0672788,0.0857952,0.0805078,0.0203882,0.018546,0.0094592,0.0128648,-0.0006645,-0.033395,0.0068608,-0.0133755,0.023637,0.014003,-0.0143185,-0.0001325,0.0082795,-0.005954,-0.000534,0.0051585,-0.0005925,-0.004575,0.0,-0.0053622,0.000898
RUS_MA_TurkicNomad,0.075882,-0.1492827,0.0520427,0.015181,-0.041341,-0.0103193,0.0043867,0.010461,-0.010499,-0.010266,-0.0144523,-0.0019483,0.0019823,-0.0089913,0.0010403,-0.0009723,-0.0083013,0.003336,0.009176,0.006795,-0.015223,0.0023903,-0.0066143,-0.001687,-0.001916

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« Одговор #25 послато: Децембар 15, 2022, 10:09:44 поподне »
Да ли имаш ове узорке у Еурогенес К36 или К13 формату?

Немам, нажалост.
ово су само координате које Давидски објављује на свом блогу, разврстане у кластере.

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« Одговор #26 послато: Децембар 16, 2022, 09:07:21 пре подне »
пробај ове координате за њу:
RUS_Alan_MA,0.109953,0.104599,-0.025418,-0.008979,-0.026282,0.005132,0.005452,-0.007246,-0.045691,-0.024821,0.002826,0.009831,-0.016680,-0.006578,0.005809,-0.002758,0.005372,-0.005904,-0.005732,0.003477,0.003893,0.006529,0.001553,-0.000409,-0.003664
RUS_MA_Baltic,0.124637,0.128972,0.078253,0.075582,0.042931,0.031096,0.004818,0.015923,-0.001125,-0.029158,-0.003654,-0.009742,0.017319,0.021194,-0.011265,0.009812,0.009649,-0.005891,0.001194,0.005878,-0.003993,-0.006183,0.009059,-0.000181,0.003952
RUS_MA_mixedSlavViking,0.119799,0.116278,0.072407,0.053295,0.038392,0.020150,0.009577,0.012519,0.001227,-0.021003,-0.001827,-0.003522,0.005092,0.007260,0.001357,0.007160,-0.002836,-0.007570,0.002357,0.004877,0.009265,-0.002102,0.004160,0.001958,-0.007095
RUS_MA_viking_Scandinavian,0.123925,0.120594,0.073067,0.063853,0.041277,0.021475,0.004906,0.009130,0.005778,-0.010012,-0.003177,0.000496,-0.003540,-0.003105,0.013470,0.010798,-0.001980,0.002185,0.004533,0.002822,0.005615,0.000634,-0.002018,0.011786,0.001452
RUS_MA_viking_WestEuro,0.118376,0.139128,0.061848,0.031977,0.033545,0.017849,0.008930,0.007384,0.008385,0.001458,-0.004384,0.006744,-0.010555,-0.018717,0.019001,0.010475,-0.010431,0.001140,-0.001131,-0.002001,0.001123,0.002349,-0.000986,0.002892,-0.000239
UKR_MA,0.124067,0.125926,0.061471,0.050711,0.030929,0.016176,0.005993,0.014076,-0.005625,-0.015855,0.001218,-0.006070,0.017022,0.026286,-0.016354,-0.000862,-0.002087,-0.002091,0.000189,0.002439,-0.003744,-0.007357,0.009367,-0.007230,0.003832
UKR_MA_Viking,0.126913,0.116278,0.081647,0.065246,0.044470,0.019383,0.006228,0.008884,0.001943,-0.015035,0.004060,0.000300,0.000744,-0.003303,0.013912,-0.006762,-0.020927,0.004751,0.001194,0.001313,0.004555,0.001175,0.001602,0.009279,0.001377
UKR_Crimea_Greek,0.104717,0.125926,-0.010559,-0.034884,-0.008617,-0.017012,-0.002585,-0.004615,-0.023111,-0.000729,0.005196,-0.003747,-0.006541,0.002615,-0.002036,-0.005834,0.001043,-0.011402,-0.005782,0.004877,0.006239,0.011994,0.005916,0.008073,-0.004431
RUS_Nomad_MA,0.087644,-0.090382,0.050534,0.031331,-0.036314,-0.008925,0.003760,0.007384,-0.009613,-0.016037,-0.007632,-0.001499,0.002527,-0.007019,-0.002172,-0.007425,-0.011735,0.004814,0.004022,-0.001000,-0.004243,0.008779,0.001972,-0.000120,-0.002754
RUS_Saltovo-Mayaki_low_res,0.117238,0.100537,-0.013953,-0.016150,-0.052317,0.004462,-0.003760,0.021922,-0.068311,-0.029158,-0.007795,0.022930,-0.012933,0.014450,0.026330,-0.036197,0.020731,-0.000760,-0.021494,0.011881,0.007362,-0.004699,-0.010846,-0.009158,-0.003832
BEL_MA:BEL024,0.134311,0.136081,0.065242,0.04522,0.038469,0.031515,0.003525,0.011538,0.003272,-0.012757,0.000974,-0.013938,0.019177,0.025185,-0.00475,0.002784,0.00326,0.00266,0.01345,0.001876,0.001248,-0.002844,-0.002218,-0.011809,-0.005628
RUS_earlyModern,0.125368,0.1031489,0.0740236,0.0635849,0.0320497,0.0211959,0.0073189,0.0133183,-0.003097,-0.022389,0.0001856,-0.0083713,0.0165651,0.0202896,-0.0109737,0.0003029,0.0033341,-0.0032759,0.0046689,0.0014471,-0.0003744,-0.0030913,0.0066906,-0.0004304,-0.0017107
RUS_MA_Slavic,0.1202255,0.1162781,0.0689659,0.0620564,0.0305055,0.0208124,0.0093709,0.0121149,-0.0002299,-0.0193169,-0.0018269,-0.0069501,0.0146431,0.0240324,-0.0077701,-0.0018728,0.0007986,-0.0036741,0.0020428,0.0027044,0.000265,-0.0061674,0.006794,-0.0061904,-0.004416
Rus_IA_FinnoUgric,0.1152459,0.0307198,0.0921116,0.088179,0.0026158,0.0160015,0.0117212,0.0158648,-0.00565,-0.0413678,0.0132145,-0.0100972,0.0231725,0.0002409,-0.0129442,-0.00121,0.0021512,-0.001346,-0.0039438,0.002345,0.0038838,-0.0019321,0.0021412,-0.0068834,0.0008382
RUS_MA_south,0.117807,0.1005375,0.045066,0.0285855,0.018157,0.008646,0.0019975,0.0088845,-0.0076695,-0.006014,-0.0014615,-0.003297,0.000595,0.0158955,-0.0093645,-0.0042425,-0.002868,0.0025335,0.0063475,-0.008129,-0.0013725,-0.002473,0.004314,-0.0050605,0.001437
RUS_MA_mixedSlavFinnic,0.1175222,0.0672788,0.0857952,0.0805078,0.0203882,0.018546,0.0094592,0.0128648,-0.0006645,-0.033395,0.0068608,-0.0133755,0.023637,0.014003,-0.0143185,-0.0001325,0.0082795,-0.005954,-0.000534,0.0051585,-0.0005925,-0.004575,0.0,-0.0053622,0.000898
RUS_MA_TurkicNomad,0.075882,-0.1492827,0.0520427,0.015181,-0.041341,-0.0103193,0.0043867,0.010461,-0.010499,-0.010266,-0.0144523,-0.0019483,0.0019823,-0.0089913,0.0010403,-0.0009723,-0.0083013,0.003336,0.009176,0.006795,-0.015223,0.0023903,-0.0066143,-0.001687,-0.001916

Хвала Никац,

Target: K36Alia
Distance: 1.2013% / 0.01201272
29.0   RUS_MA_Baltic
24.4   RUS_Alan_MA
17.4   RUS_MA_viking_Scandinavian
13.2   BEL_MA
6.2           UKR_MA_Viking
5.4           RUS_Saltovo-Mayaki_low_res
4.4       UKR_MA

Distance to:   K36Alia
0.04223270   RUS_MA_south
0.04340379   UKR_MA
0.04550582   RUS_MA_mixedSlavViking
0.04651822   RUS_MA_Slavic
0.05251189   RUS_earlyModern
0.05439192   BEL_MA:BEL024
0.05533267   RUS_MA_viking_Scandinavian
0.06248020   RUS_MA_viking_WestEuro
0.06456799   UKR_MA_Viking
0.06505033   RUS_MA_Baltic
0.08974391   RUS_MA_mixedSlavFinnic
0.11237967   RUS_Alan_MA
0.11535012   UKR_Crimea_Greek
0.12386292   Rus_IA_FinnoUgric
0.14232034   RUS_Saltovo-Mayaki_low_res
0.22772966   RUS_Nomad_MA
0.28815419   RUS_MA_TurkicNomad

Лијеп бит није лијеп се родит,
јербо љепоти може се научит;
а кад душом љепује человјек,
које вањско с тијем поредит?

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« Одговор #27 послато: Децембар 16, 2022, 10:31:53 пре подне »
Хвала Никац,

Target: K36Alia
Distance: 1.2013% / 0.01201272
29.0   RUS_MA_Baltic
24.4   RUS_Alan_MA
17.4   RUS_MA_viking_Scandinavian
13.2   BEL_MA
6.2           UKR_MA_Viking
5.4           RUS_Saltovo-Mayaki_low_res
4.4       UKR_MA

Distance to:   K36Alia
0.04223270   RUS_MA_south
0.04340379   UKR_MA
0.04550582   RUS_MA_mixedSlavViking
0.04651822   RUS_MA_Slavic
0.05251189   RUS_earlyModern
0.05439192   BEL_MA:BEL024
0.05533267   RUS_MA_viking_Scandinavian
0.06248020   RUS_MA_viking_WestEuro
0.06456799   UKR_MA_Viking
0.06505033   RUS_MA_Baltic
0.08974391   RUS_MA_mixedSlavFinnic
0.11237967   RUS_Alan_MA
0.11535012   UKR_Crimea_Greek
0.12386292   Rus_IA_FinnoUgric
0.14232034   RUS_Saltovo-Mayaki_low_res
0.22772966   RUS_Nomad_MA
0.28815419   RUS_MA_TurkicNomad
Хвала не постоји у српско-словенском :D Извини, морао сам!

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« Одговор #28 послато: Децембар 16, 2022, 09:43:29 поподне »
Хвала не постоји у српско-словенском :D Извини, морао сам!

Не контам ти штос ал ајде нек ти је халал :)
Лијеп бит није лијеп се родит,
јербо љепоти може се научит;
а кад душом љепује человјек,
које вањско с тијем поредит?

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« Одговор #29 послато: Март 26, 2023, 12:44:35 поподне »
Ево једноставног модела за балканске нације с прикладним узорцима и малим дистанцама.

прво модел који даје мале дистанце за већину Балканаца:


DEU_MA_Krakauer_Berg - раносредњовјековни Словени из источне Њемачке, истичу се као добар примјер неизмјешаних протословена. И западни и источни Словени се такође могу моделовати с њима.

TUR_Marmara_Iznik_Y.kapi_Byz - рановизантијски Грци из близине Истанбула.
могу се моделовати као мјешавина Микењана/јужних Трачана и узорака из источне Анатолије или Јерменије, као нпр. ови Урарту.
0.011 TUR_Marmara_Iznik_Y.kapi_Byz = 51% BGR_KapitanAndreevo_IA + 49% TUR_E_Van_Urartian

HRV_EMA_Byzantine - византијска Далмација, узорци углавном из 5. вијека, таман пред долазак Словена
може се моделовати као Илири са снажним утицајима с југа Балкана и из источне Анатолије.
Target: HRV_EMA_Byzantine
Distance: 1.1621% / 0.01162069
52.0   HRV_IA
25.8   TUR_E_Van_Urartian
22.2   BGR_KapitanAndreevo_IA

Из овог шаблона испадају:

Албанци: код њих је тешко добити добру дистанцу. Помажу раноримски узорци из Србије (Мези). То се поклапа с њиховом Y-ДНК (доминација старобалканских хаплогрупа)
Target: Albanian
Distance: 1.2299% / 0.01229889
47.6   SRB_Roman
31.2   TUR_Marmara_Iznik_Y.kapi_Byz
21.2   DEU_MA_Krakauer_Berg

Словенци и кајкавски Хрвати:
Target: CroatianKajkavian
Distance: 0.7339% / 0.00733927
63.6   DEU_MA_Krakauer_Berg
36.4   SVN_Emona

Target: Slovenian
Distance: 0.9017% / 0.00901725
60.4   DEU_MA_Krakauer_Berg
39.6   SVN_Emona

код њих је изузетно добра дистанца ако користимо касноримске узорке с налазишта Емона у Словенији.
Емона се може моделовати овако:

Target: SVN_Emona
Distance: 1.1063% / 0.01106256 | R4P
56.4   HUN_IA_La_Tene
34.0   GRC_Marathon_Rom
9.6   SWE_IA

HUN_IA_La_Tene - Панонски Келти
GRC_Marathon_Rom - Грци из римског периода. такође 50/50 микс Микењана и неких блискоисточних утицаја.
SWE_IA - протогермани

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« Одговор #30 послато: Март 26, 2023, 02:32:59 поподне »
Je li možeš postaviti koordinate ovdje za ove "source"-populacije?

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« Одговор #31 послато: Март 26, 2023, 02:57:08 поподне »
Je li možeš postaviti koordinate ovdje za ove "source"-populacije?

DEU_MA_Krakauer_Berg,0.1292408,0.1278645,0.0744299,0.0667435,0.0442321,0.0231226,0.0087166,0.012545,-0.0003718,-0.0232598,-0.00248,-0.0092645,0.0149742,0.0188792,-0.0083037,0.0013741,0.0066141,-0.0015894,0.0034395,0.003297,-0.0047075,-0.0031365,0.0046274,-0.0053785,0.0002395
HRV_EMA_Byzantine,0.1154355,0.1479288,0.0068825,-0.0278049,0.0215679,-0.012643,0.0006267,0.0002501,0.0032212,0.0207293,-0.0007172,0.0055577,-0.0124378,-0.0015941,-0.0089237,0.0011823,0.0068452,-0.0021643,0.0030065,-0.0046376,-0.0064781,0.0000824,-0.0012325,0.0013958,-0.0000998
TUR_Marmara_Iznik_Y.kapi_Byz,0.1094976,0.1490798,-0.0235326,-0.0587214,0.0054164,-0.0253232,0.000517,-0.0043384,-0.004786,0.0215038,-9.74e-05,0.003117,-0.0048462,0.0014862,-0.0170464,-0.0010872,0.0056584,0.0004306,0.0076426,-0.0054026,-0.005091,0.0020032,-0.0011092,0.002434,-0.0017002
SVN_Emona,0.1203271,0.1434799,0.0241896,-0.0083057,0.0242681,-0.002789,0.0028536,0.0021757,0.0037984,0.0175467,0.0032244,0.005909,-0.0089834,-0.0003146,-0.003044,0.0016857,0.0073573,-0.0006153,0.0018136,0.002019,-0.0006773,0.0013424,0.0024473,0.0036493,-0.0043279
SRB_Roman,0.1211078,0.155376,0.0164426,-0.0259046,0.0304054,-0.009092,0.001081,0.0053538,0.0071176,0.03098,0.0044492,0.0086626,-0.0125172,0.0001374,-0.0160422,-0.0058868,0.0051632,0.0007094,0.0080446,-0.0070784,-0.0091838,0.0022752,-0.0025636,0.0042174,-0.0028738

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« Одговор #32 послато: Март 26, 2023, 03:05:53 поподне »
Ево Никац, ако можеш да растумачиш. Илира ниђе, али зато повишена SVN_Emona.




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« Одговор #33 послато: Март 26, 2023, 03:15:05 поподне »
Ево Никац, ако можеш да растумачиш. Илира ниђе, али зато повишена SVN_Emona.





Да ли си ове координате симулирао с конвертером који је Душан подијелио на овој теми (чини се да је тај најбољи)?
Ти и иначе добиваш неки германску компненту на сваком калкулатору, Емона има германске примјесе у себи, па је сигурно због тога

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« Одговор #34 послато: Март 26, 2023, 03:19:52 поподне »
Hvala, Nikac.

Htio sam da usporedim da li postoji razlika ako za ranog Slavena izmijenim Krakauer za AV2. Zanimljivo mi je da sa Krakauer kod mene samo uzima HRV_EMA.


Target: Imota_scaled
Distance: 1.6007% / 0.01600709
63.2   DEU_MA_Krakauer_Berg
36.8   HRV_EMA_Byzantine

A sa AV2 stvari izgledaju već malo drugačije:


Target: Imota_scaled
Distance: 2.0235% / 0.02023492
62.2   HUN_Avar_Szolad
23.2   HRV_EMA_Byzantine
8.8   TUR_Marmara_Iznik_Y.kapi_Byz
5.8   SVN_Emona

Slovenski dio ostaje isti, ali sa AV2 traži još dodatno nešto sjevernije (SVN_Emona) i nešto istočnije (TUR_Marmara).


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« Одговор #35 послато: Март 26, 2023, 03:20:14 поподне »
ово су моји резултати

Target: nikac_scaled
Distance: 2.0213% / 0.02021285
54.0   DEU_MA_Krakauer_Berg
36.8   SRB_Roman
9.2   TUR_Marmara_Iznik_Y.kapi_Byz

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« Одговор #36 послато: Март 26, 2023, 03:24:17 поподне »
evo mojih

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« Одговор #37 послато: Март 26, 2023, 03:25:28 поподне »
Да ли си ове координате симулирао с конвертером који је Душан подијелио на овој теми (чини се да је тај најбољи)?

Ако мислиш на овај конвертер, да.
https://www.exploreyourdna.com/simulated-g25.aspx

Ти и иначе добиваш неки германску компненту на сваком калкулатору, Емона има германске примјесе у себи, па је сигурно због тога

Рецимо да је то делимичмно тачно. Заправо на већини калкулатора упадам у неки српски просек. А неретко и са благо повишеном медитеранском компонентном. Види се вероватно германски уплаив овде и на још неким калкулаторима старе днк. Опет ми није логично да имам мање "тзв" илирске компоненте овде него Македонци и Бугари. Појела је све SVN_Emona
 :D
« Последња измена: Март 26, 2023, 03:32:58 поподне Небојша »

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« Одговор #38 послато: Март 26, 2023, 03:26:25 поподне »
Hvala, Nikac.

Htio sam da usporedim da li postoji razlika ako za ranog Slavena izmijenim Krakauer za AV2. Zanimljivo mi je da sa Krakauer kod mene samo uzima HRV_EMA.


Target: Imota_scaled
Distance: 1.6007% / 0.01600709
63.2   DEU_MA_Krakauer_Berg
36.8   HRV_EMA_Byzantine

A sa AV2 stvari izgledaju već malo drugačije:


Target: Imota_scaled
Distance: 2.0235% / 0.02023492
62.2   HUN_Avar_Szolad
23.2   HRV_EMA_Byzantine
8.8   TUR_Marmara_Iznik_Y.kapi_Byz
5.8   SVN_Emona

Slovenski dio ostaje isti, ali sa AV2 traži još dodatno nešto sjevernije (SVN_Emona) i nešto istočnije (TUR_Marmara).

Мислим да је Krakauer само стабилнији јер се ради о десетак узорака, а AV2 је само један. Иначе су доста слични, AV2 је вјероватно исто неизмјешани миграторни Словен, док је њезина кћерка АV1 на пола локални Панонац.

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« Одговор #39 послато: Март 26, 2023, 03:28:56 поподне »
Ако мислиш на овај конвертер, да.
https://www.exploreyourdna.com/simulated-g25.aspx

Рецимо да је то делимичмно тачно. Заправо на већини калкулатора упадам у неки српски просек. А неретко и са благо повишеном медитеранском компонентном. Види се вероватно германски уплаив овде и на још неким калкулаторима старе днк. Опет ми није логично да имам мање "тзв" илирске компоненте овде него Македонци и Бугари. Појела је све :D

Ovi simulirani često nadodaju neki nepostojeći germanski upliv. Usporedi moje originalne i simulirane:

Original


Target: Imota_scaled
Distance: 2.0235% / 0.02023492
62.2   HUN_Avar_Szolad
23.2   HRV_EMA_Byzantine
8.8   TUR_Marmara_Iznik_Y.kapi_Byz
5.8   SVN_Emona

Simulacija:


Target: sample_simulated_g25_scaled
Distance: 1.5469% / 0.01546897
60.2   HUN_Avar_Szolad
26.8   SVN_Emona
11.8   TUR_Marmara_Iznik_Y.kapi_Byz
1.2   HRV_EMA_Byzantine