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[Nebo]

https://www.scribd.com/document/363327972/Graham-Origins-Arms-and-the-Man

Не знам да ли је ово само код мене, али не могу да отворим, каже Scribd:

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[archduke]

Не знам да ли је ово само код мене, али не могу да отворим, каже Scribd:

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Исто и код мене. Документ је обрисан.

[CosicZ]

https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/graham/about/results

The most significant family group within the Graham DNA Project represents descendants of the Earls, Marquises and Dukes of Montrose.  This is the group labelled I1 Group Type 2: I-M253>DF29>A5616>A5721>A5723>Y48464>FT233821. Descended from the Grahams and Graemes of Montrose, Inchbrakie, Duchray, Gartmore and Glenny.

Another notable Graham family group is that within J1-L1253 and its subclades, whish represents the Grahams that come from the Scottish Borders. It is the largest single European family group within the J1-M267 haplogroup.

https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/graham/about/news

2 July 2023:  The largest Graham family, the J1-L1253 lot, whose ancestors came originally from the Scottish Borders, do not descend from same family as the Noble Grahams of Montrose and Menteith, and DNA testing has confirmed this.

It is known that the largest single family of Border Grahams (sometimes known as the Grahams of Netherby), descend from Lang Will Graham of Stuble (1468-1540, who arrived in the Scottish Borders about 1516, had 8 sons, including Richie Graham of Brackenhill, and became a notorious Border Reiver. There was a legend that Lang Will Graham was the eldest son of John Graham of Kilbride, "John of the Bright Sword", the second son of Malise Graham, Earl of Menteith, but recent DNA tests have shown this to be wrong. Long Will Graham was not the earliest Graham on the Borders by any means, as there had been Grahams there for generations before Lang Will arrived.

https://www.academia.edu/37194083/GRAHAM_Redux_A_reimagining_of_the_familys_history_in_which_the_noble_Grahams_are_of_Y_haplogroup_I1_rather_than_J1
https://clangrahamsociety.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/House-GRAHAM-eBook.pdf

https://www.yfull.com/tree/I-A5741/
https://discover.familytreedna.com/y-dna/I-A5716/tree
TMRCA са најближим рођацима у Данској око 3000 година. Могуће готско или источногерманско порекло.

https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-BY65/
https://discover.familytreedna.com/y-dna/J-BY65/tree
Овде има Арапа, Јевреја, Јермена, Понтских Грка. Можда трговци или римски колонисти?

https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_J1_Y-DNA.shtml
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clan_Graham

[Ивица Јовановић]

Na ftdna vidimo da se ta linija koja ide na ostrva formirala krajem 12. pocetkom 13. veka. To korespondira sa Normanskim naseljavanjem Skotske (u doba Davida I), tako da postoji veca sansa da su sa njima dosli nego da su od nekog koloniste. Verovatno imamo slican slucaj i kod bliske J-BY65. Francuzi nisu nesto revnosni sto se testiranja tice ali verujem da ih je gomila u raznim J.


David I (born c. 1082—died May 24, 1153, Carlisle, Cumberland, Eng.) was one of the most powerful Scottish kings (reigned from 1124). He admitted into Scotland an Anglo-French (Norman) aristocracy that played a major part in the later history of the kingdom.