ДНК порекло > Народи и њихова генетика


(1/4) > >>

Baski imaju jezik koji je neindoevropski i nemaju nijedan srodni živi jezik, zbunjuje to što su genetski vrlo srodni zapadnoevropskim narodima, imaju izuzetno visok udeo r1b. Pretpostavlja se da su ostatak preindoevropskog stanovništva iberijskog poluostrva

Синиша Јерковић:
Прије сам писао да Баски вјероватно говоре стари неиндоевропски језик хаплогрупе И, без обзира што данас код њих преовладава индоевропска Р1б. Практично Баски и имају само ове двије хаплогрупе Р1б и И2а, а имали су их и у прошлости , бар судећи по генетској анализи Баска из касноантичког периода.

Иначе , данас лингвисти сматрају да је баскијски језик најближи источнокавкаским језицима, у том смислу чеченском. Иначе је источни Кавказ простор са највећим процентом хаплогрупе Ј на свијету. А хаплогрупа Ј је генетски најближи рођак хаплогрупи И, па би ту могла да се тражи и нека давна језичка веза.


Uglavnom se pokušava da se nađe veza između baskijskog i kavkaskih jezika, međutim i te teorije se osporavaju.

Čitajući malo po internetu, našao sam da postoje toponimi na našim prostorima koji se mogu povezati sa baskijskim jezikom. Najverovatniji toponim sa baskijskim poreklom je "Ibar" - dolina, dno, dolina kraj reke.
Manje sigurni su toponimi sa korenom "is-" koji je stari baskijski koren za vodu, tu se može naći svašta, mada se ja nista ne razumem u klasičnu filologiju. IStar, Ister, Hister su bila stara imena za donji tok Dunava, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hister ima Istra u Hrvatskoj, Istrina je bilo ime za reku Drim...

Naravno, ovo bi trebalo da "obradi" neki ozbiljan naučnik a ne ovakvi kao ja. Ja imam svoju hipotezu, ali nemam ni znanja ni vremena da ja to sada istražujem. Za sada mislim da su jezički preci Baska živeli na prostoru iza Urala, i da su se doselili u Evropu prvo na Balkan dolinom Dunava pa onda dalje na zapad.

Синиша Јерковић:
Ево неколико ствари о Баскима из Кунове књиге Расе Европе:

О старим Баскима

"In regard to the Basques, it has been observed that the skeletons from dolmens of Guipuzcoa, probably of Early Metal Age, resemble those of the modern Euskarians of the same province, in stature, in head size and form, and in characteristic facial peculiarities. Since the northern shore of Spain, in the country occupied by the Basques since the beginning of history, is rich in metal ores and was a favorite haunt of Copper and Bronze Age sea migrants, it is very likely that a numerically strong western Asiatic element, including both Megalithic and Dinaric types, became a permanent factor in the local population. When we come to discuss the physical anthropology of living Basques, the probability of such an influence will be of assistance."

"The Basques have heads of considerable size also, and there seems to be a significant nucleus of large heads in the Dordogne, where, as will be seen later, a long-headed, brunet Upper Palaeolithic survival seems indicated, as in west-central Wales."

И о савременим Баскима

On the whole, these craniological data indicate three facts: (1) the Basques are basically Mediterranean (in the wider sense) racially, with some brachycephalic accretion.
(2) This accretion is for the most part Dinaric and only to a minor extent directly Alpine. Morphologically the Basque crania show many
resemblances to those of Serbo-Croats and of some South Germans. Collignon's comparison between French Basques and the southwestern French makes this distinction clear.
(3) The Basques, through inbreeding, ethnic solidarity, and the possession of a recognized national ideal type, have developed a characteristic physiognomy, the essential features of which are nasal prominence and a narrowness of the median sagittal facial segment, and of the mandible. Gollignon believed, and Montandon follows him, that the French Basques are freer from modern mixture than are the Spanish Basques.
This may perhaps be true, since neither the round-headed tendency of the French Basques nor their relatively high incidence of blondism can be wholly explained as local acquisitions. The Basques^ as a whole, represent an ancient and subsequently specialized mixture of Mediterraneans and Atlanto-Mediterraneans with partially blond Binaries, and it is just as possible that different Basque sub-groups differed originally in amount of Dinaric blood as that the modern Spanish Basques have been altered through Spanish mixture.
Both the Atlanto-Mediterranean and Dinaric elements mentioned were present as early as the Copper Age in North Central Spain, where
they were partially identified with the early Bell Beaker culture. The Keltic Iron Age racial type of Britain, which the living Spanish Basques so closely resemble, was produced originally in southern Germany from a combination of Nordics with Bell Beaker or other Binaries, and imported into England where Mediterranean and Atlanto^Mediterranean elements, as well as some Bronze Age Dinaric factors, were already present. The mixture of similar ingredients in different places produces similar results. Seen in the light of modern physical anthropology, the Basques are still interesting, and perhaps romantic, but no longer mysterious.


[0] Индекс порука

[#] Следећа страна

Иди на пуну верзију