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« послато: Септембар 11, 2017, 09:46:41 поподне »
Thank you Jovica,

I would like more information of FGC22054.
I also have been attempting to read the church registries for Podlapaca, Orthodox. I'm thought google translation about to see Cyrillic, so very hard for me. I don't know what most of the Serbo-Croatian Cyrillic mean. Also I'm wondering why the Podlapaca is Roman Catholic but the registries are Cyrillic/Latin.

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« Одговор #1 послато: Септембар 20, 2017, 01:26:12 пре подне »
Maybe they converted to Uniats or Catholics in some moment? It is symptomatic that there was Serbian Orthodox Church, built in 1750, and destroyed in WW2, and looking to the censuses after WW2, you can see that the village is inhabited mostly by Croats. Why would someone built an Serbian Orthodox Church if there were not Serbs? Maybe they became Catholics, but they kept old Cyrillic script.



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« Одговор #2 послато: Септембар 20, 2017, 01:52:59 пре подне »
Maybe someone else would know, but as I can conclude, Podlapača as village were always mostly dominated by Catholics, but Podlapača as municipality in first half of XX century it was donimated by Orthodox, in 1905, it has 5734 inhabitants, from which 3580 of them were Orthodox (62%), in 1931, it had 4779 inhabitants, from which 3022 were Orthodox and 1757 were Catholics.

The village had three Serbian houses in 1768, and it had probably the same after WW2, but still I don't get it, why the Orthodox built church there, and not in neighbor village, where they were dominated?



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« Одговор #3 послато: Септембар 20, 2017, 03:56:04 пре подне »
This has to do with the way civil parishes were organized.  Podlapača as a civil parish included the eponymous village, as well as Tolić, Pisač, Svračkovo Selo, and Čorkovo Selo.  Čorkovo Selo and Podlapača were Catholic, Pisač and Svračkovo Selo were Orthodox, and Tolić was mixed.  The Orthodox parish of Podlapača covered the same area as the civil parish and was named after it.  The actual parish church was in Svračkovo selo.  It was dedicated to the Dormition of the Mother of God and build in 1750 and severely damaged in WW2. 



The church registers are definitely for that Orthodox parish, but they seem to only cover 1857-1859. 


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« Одговор #4 послато: Септембар 20, 2017, 05:29:56 пре подне »
Thanks to Pavo and Amicus
That would make sense. I did see a cemetery in Svračkovo Selo on google maps. I found it on a google search to a wiki page and will study it.
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« Одговор #5 послато: Септембар 20, 2017, 08:03:09 пре подне »
Hello, Gary.

It's very important to separate civil and church municipality of Podlapača.
If we looked at the church municipality, according to informations from 1905. Podlapača orthodox municipality belong to Korenica area (Korenički protoprezviterat) and included villages of Podlapača (Svračkovo Selo), Pišać and Tolić. There were 400 orthodox houses with 2558 Serbs.
If we look at the civil munipality, according to informations from 1905. Podlapača civil municipality have 5734 people (3580 or 62% were orthodox Serbs). Same civil municipality besides Podlapača included orthodox municipalities of Mekinjar and Srednja Gora and belong to Udbina area (kotar Udbina).


Barać family

According to census from 1915. there were 28 houses of Barać family in Lika-Krbava area:
1. 14 houses in Podlapača (Svračkovo Selo)
2. 6 houses in Kozjan
3. 6 houses in Mekinjar
4. 2 houses in Šalamunić


In church records from Podlapača orthodox parish from 1857-1858. we have confirmed Barać family from Podlapača (Svračkovo Selo) and also from Mekinjar:
1. Podlapača (Svračkovo Selo)
- 10 mentions of Barać family from Podlapača (Svračkovo Selo) in birth records (14, 22, 24, 35, 36, 38, 44, 51, 66, 76) from 1857.
- 2 mentions of Barać family from Podlapača (Svračkovo Selo) in death records (3, 20) from 1857.
- 4 mentions of Barać family from Podlapača (Svračkovo Selo) in birth records (7, 21, 48, 59) from 1858.
- 2 mentions of Barać family from Podlapača (Svračkovo Selo) in marriage records (6, 8 ) from 1858.
- 3 mentions of Barać family from Podlapača (Svračkovo Selo) in death records (5, 16, 31) from 1858.
We can see that Barać family from Podlapača (Svračkovo Selo) lived in at least 5 different house numbers (10/2, 26, 27, 28, 29).
2. Mekinjar
- 3 mentions of Barać family from Mekinjar in birth records (37, 55, 60) from 1857.

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« Одговор #6 послато: Септембар 20, 2017, 09:02:05 пре подне »
Да ниси случајно наишао на неког Зрнића? Подлапача ме интересовала раније и чачкао сам око ње јер има Зрнића пољана изнад села. Нисам наишао на трагове Зрнића у матичним књигама. Зрнића пољана је изнад најјужнијег дела поља - његовог ћошка, код заселка Буџак.

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« Одговор #7 послато: Септембар 20, 2017, 09:47:26 пре подне »
Да ниси случајно наишао на неког Зрнића? Подлапача ме интересовала раније и чачкао сам око ње јер има Зрнића пољана изнад села. Нисам наишао на трагове Зрнића у матичним књигама. Зрнића пољана је изнад најјужнијег дела поља - његовог ћошка, код заселка Буџак.

У овим доступним црквеним књигама (1857-1858) нисам пронашао Зрниће.
Може бити да је Зрнића пољана добила име по надимку неке од породица (таквих случајева има код мене на Банији).


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« Одговор #8 послато: Септембар 21, 2017, 12:41:23 пре подне »
On mapire.eu, I did find a church in Svrackovo Selo, that would be from the Korenica parish?
First Military Survey (1763 - 1787)
http://mapire.eu/en/map/firstsurvey/?layers=osm%2C1%2C73&bbox=1729964.9164412043%2C5559286.251569814%2C1743723.5815325358%2C5566012.71005891

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« Одговор #9 послато: Септембар 21, 2017, 12:53:25 пре подне »
On mapire.eu, I did find a church in Svrackovo Selo, that would be from the Korenica parish?

That was from Podlapača orthodox parish.

In most simple way for you, Svračkovo Selo was just orthodox part (zaseok) of Podlapača village in XIX century.
In church books of Podlapača orthodox parish from 1857. you can't find single one mention of Svračkovo Selo, all families from modern day Svračkovo Selo was mentioned in Podlapača. So, in these church books Podlapača=Svračkovo Selo.
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« Одговор #10 послато: Септембар 21, 2017, 01:16:35 пре подне »
On mapire.eu, I did find a church in Svrackovo Selo, that would be from the Korenica parish?
First Military Survey (1763 - 1787)
http://mapire.eu/en/map/firstsurvey/?layers=osm%2C1%2C73&bbox=1729964.9164412043%2C5559286.251569814%2C1743723.5815325358%2C5566012.71005891

No, that's the Podlapača parish church.  You can see it even better on the cadastral map.

http://mapire.eu/en/map/cadastral/?layers=osm%2C43%2C44&bbox=1740249.586104293%2C5561248.846930582%2C1741252.822100536%2C5561767.185528642

And it's labeled Dormition of the Mother of God in its Croatian form "Velika Gospa."

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« Одговор #11 послато: Септембар 21, 2017, 01:26:23 пре подне »
What is making this hard for me is neither the LDS or Ancestry has entered any of the orthodox church registries online. I might be able to figure some of the names is the registries, on registry 14 is Отецћ Uaia (handwriting, what it appears to me)
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« Одговор #12 послато: Септембар 21, 2017, 03:04:24 пре подне »
In church records from Podlapača orthodox parish from 1857-1858. we have confirmed Barać family from Podlapača (Svračkovo Selo) and also from Mekinjar:
1. Podlapača (Svračkovo Selo)
- 10 mentions of Barać family from Podlapača (Svračkovo Selo) in birth records (14, 22, 24, 35, 36, 38, 44, 51, 66, 76) from 1857.
- 2 mentions of Barać family from Podlapača (Svračkovo Selo) in death records (3, 20) from 1857.
- 4 mentions of Barać family from Podlapača (Svračkovo Selo) in birth records (7, 21, 48, 59) from 1858.
- 2 mentions of Barać family from Podlapača (Svračkovo Selo) in marriage records (6, 8 ) from 1858.
- 3 mentions of Barać family from Podlapača (Svračkovo Selo) in death records (5, 16, 31) from 1858.
We can see that Barać family from Podlapača (Svračkovo Selo) lived in at least 5 different house numbers (10/2, 26, 27, 28, 29).
2. Mekinjar
- 3 mentions of Barać family from Mekinjar in birth records (37, 55, 60) from 1857.

Just a quick rush through birth or baptism records (1857), only basic informations about Barać family from Podlapača (Svračkovo Selo):
14. Milica was baptized, daughter of Ilija Barać and Janja, from Podlapača (10/2).
22. Isak Barać from Podlapača was godfather at the baptism of male child from Lemajić family from Podlapača.
24. Stoja was baptized, daughter of Mihailo Barać and Angelina, from Podlapača (29).
35. Mihailo Barać from Podlapača was godfather at the baptism of male child from Korica family from Podlapača.
36. Stojan was baptized, son of Petar Barać and Stana, from Podlapača (27).
38. Manojlo was baptized, son of Teodor Barać and Sofija, from Podlapača (29).
44. Jovan was baptized, son of Luka Barać and Angelina, from Podlapača (26)
51. Jovan Barać from Podlapača was godfather at the baptism of male child from Lemajić family from Podlapača.
66. Božica was baptized, daughter of Pantelija Barać and Sava, from Podlapača (29).
76. Mihailo Barać from Podlapača was godfather at the baptism of male child from Vukmirović family from Podlapača.

I don't have a lot of time in these days, but I hope that I can send you full translation of all these records in November.

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« Одговор #13 послато: Септембар 21, 2017, 05:48:11 пре подне »
Thank you. Please take your time. Its valuable to you.
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« Одговор #14 послато: Септембар 27, 2017, 04:35:27 пре подне »
Question, what is Sa 1522 on the cadastral map?

Marco Barich vnter den haus 441/3
in Podlopaz: polie 10
zu Durutovo 10
in Rosuli 62/3

Sa 1522
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« Одговор #15 послато: Октобар 03, 2017, 05:19:20 пре подне »
http://www.poreklo.rs/forum/index.php?topic=45.40
this is from Odg: Ime na -ac ili -ak

I was wondering about Barac, where is that last name.
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