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Синиша Јерковић:
Дискусија о хаплогрупи Р

CosicZ:
На https://www.yfull.com/live/tree/P-V1651/ се појавио YF118811, засад је на нивоу P-V1651*, далеки рођак хаплогрупа Q и R. Има митохoндријску хаплогрупу https://www.yfull.com/mtree/B4c1b2a2/ , карактеристичну за југоисточну Азију.
Претходне верзије стабла:
https://www.yfull.com/arch-9.04/tree/P/
https://www.yfull.com/arch-9.05/tree/P/

https://dna-explained.com/2020/09/12/y-dna-haplogroup-p-gets-a-brand-new-root-plus-some-branches/

https://www.familytreedna.com/public/y-dna-haplotree/P
https://discover.familytreedna.com/y-dna/P-PF5850/tree

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Haplogroup_P_of_Y-DNA.png


https://isogg.org/tree/ISOGG_HapgrpP.html
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1YEiLNcXDm1-n_oULL9QSl6AvyO4jJLTG5zVki5IhBUk/edit#gid=0

https://www.genetichomeland.com/welcome/dnamarkerindex.asp?chromosome=Y&snp=V1651
https://www.genetichomeland.com/welcome/dnamarkerindex.asp?chromosome=Y&snp=P295
https://www.genetichomeland.com/welcome/dnapedigree.asp?RecordID=8681

--- Цитат ---   PF5850   rs74550416   Defining mutation for haplogroup P root on YFull and FTDNA trees. hg38 Ref does not match ancestral allele value. Formerly labeled haplogroup P1 in literature. Thomas Krahn assesses that this region suffers X chromosome recombination and so this position may have reversion mutation. Example is sample JHM6 (accession ERS2589709) from Jahai tribesman of Malaysia.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_P_(Y-DNA)

--- Цитат ---Haplogroup P also known as P-P295 and K2b2 is a Y-chromosome DNA haplogroup in human genetics. P-P295 is a branch of K2b (previously Haplogroup MPS; P331), which is a branch of Haplogroup K2 (K-M526).

The only primary branches (clades) of P-P295 are P1 (P-M45) commonly found among Siberians and Central Asians, and P2 (P-B253) found in Oceanian populations.[7] P1 is, in turn, the parent node of Haplogroup Q (Q-M242) and Haplogroup R (R-M207), while P2 gave rise to Haplogroup M-P256 and Haplogroup S-M230.

The major subclades of Haplogroups P1, Q and R now include most males among Europeans, Native Americans, South Asians and Central Asians.


Karafet et al. 2015 suggests an origin and dispersal of haplogroup P from either South Asia or Southeast Asia as part of the early human dispersal, based on the distribution of subclades now classified as P2, and more ancient clades such as K1 and K2.[4] Hallast, Agdzhoyan, et al. concluded that the ancestral Eurasian haplogroups C, D, and F, either expanded from the Middle East or from Southeast Asia. Based on the modern distribution of basal lineages, the authors propose Southeast Asia as place of dispersal for all Eurasian lineages, before the split between West-Eurasian and East-Eurasian (including Oceanian) populations.[9]

According to a study by geneticist Spencer Wells, haplogroup K, from which haplogroup P descend, originated in the Middle East or Central Asia. It is likely that haplogroup P diverged somewhere in South Asia into P1, which expanded into Siberia and Northern Eurasia, and into P2, which expanded into Oceania and Southeast Asia.[10]
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_K-M9#Structure

A Southeast Asian origin for present-day non-African human Y chromosomes
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00439-020-02204-9
https://static-content.springer.com/esm/art%3A10.1007%2Fs00439-020-02204-9/MediaObjects/439_2020_2204_MOESM3_ESM.pdf
https://media.springernature.com/lw685/springer-static/image/art%3A10.1007%2Fs00439-020-02204-9/MediaObjects/439_2020_2204_Fig1_HTML.png?as=webp

https://media.springernature.com/lw685/springer-static/image/art%3A10.1007%2Fs00439-020-02204-9/MediaObjects/439_2020_2204_Fig3_HTML.png?as=webp


--- Цитат ---According to serial founder model, the earliest-branching non-African lineages are expected to expand and be present closer to Africa (a), but instead have expanded in East or Southeast Asia (b). Simplified Y tree is shown as reference for colours
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Зрно:
Свака част. Дискусија о хаплогрупи отворена пре равно 10 година, а данас је коначно кренула са мртве тачке. Мене једино занима да ли су први R били монголоидни (косооки, ејжиан лук). Како то утврдити?

Ивица Јовановић:

--- Цитат: Зрно  Мај 28, 2023, 11:38:08 поподне ---Свака част. Дискусија о хаплогрупи отворена пре равно 10 година, а данас је коначно кренула са мртве тачке. Мене једино занима да ли су први R били монголоидни (косооки, ејжиан лук). Како то утврдити?

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Amerikanci smatraju (baveći se intenzivno haplogrupom R iz njihovih razloga) da je prvi R bio poput severno američkih indijanaca. Dakle ne potpuno ''kosook'' ali na tragu da to postane XD.

Ивица Јовановић:

--- Цитат: Ивица Јовановић  Мај 29, 2023, 12:08:59 пре подне ---Amerikanci smatraju (baveći se intenzivno haplogrupom R iz njihovih razloga) da je prvi R bio poput severno američkih indijanaca. Dakle ne potpuno ''kosook'' ali na tragu da to postane XD.

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Nešto poput Horn Shelter Man rekonstrukcije.

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