Такође, било би добро да прецизно наведете шта за вас значи близу у сљедећем наводу "nizine Zale-Labe blizu Lužica". Гдје је међуријечје Лабе и Сале,а гдје је Лужица и колико је то близу? Да ли та близина подразумјева да се ради о истом простору?
To područje nije istovjetno već je zapadno i susjedno Lužici, a spominjem Lužicu zbog blizine jer čini dio iste regije (Polabia) i jer je bitno za ranu srednjovjekovnu i kasniju povijest Sorba.
Фредегарова хроника наводи само податак да су Срби били склони Францима у једном периоду, не каже се ни кад ни гдје и то се спомиње само у контексту тога да су се 632. године приклонили Саму... И то је сав податак који у вези са тим даје Фредегарова хроника. Нема ни 6. вијека, нема ни Лабе ни Сале... О доласку Срба и Словена у међуријечје Лабе и Сале не постоје непосредни историјски подаци. То свакако није било прије 530. године, јер тад тим подручјем још увијек владају Тиринги. А Ако је тачна претпоставка о досељењу Срба из Подунавља као новог словенског слоја у Полабље, то није могло бити ни прије 567. године, јер су тек те године Авари и Словени продрли у Панонију и потисли германска племена.
Točno, nema izravnoga spomena 6. stoljeća i Zale-Labe, ali nije ni nužno jer povijesni izvori to često i ne čine već se podaci tumače ovisno o načinu i kontekstu spomena. U kronici se podrazumijeva:
kada (dugo vremena prije 630ih):
* Gerald Stone, "Slav Outposts in Central European History: The Wends, Sorbs and Kashubs" (2015), str. 6, “In
630 or 631, according to the chronicle of Fredegar, Dervanus too, a leader from the tribe of the Sorbs, who were of the clan of the Slavs and
in time past had belonged to the kingdom of the Franks, consigned himself with his followers to the kingdom of Samo”
* Herbert Schutz, "Tools, Weapons and Ornaments: Germanic Material Culture in Pre-Carolingian Central Europe, 400-750" (2001), str. 91-94, “Fredegar is the first to mention them and that they had
for a long time belonged to the realm of the Franks...
At the beginning of the seventh century the formative era of the Slavic migrations came to a conclusion. Already before 631 they had come under the hegemony of the Franks... Towards the north, western Mecklenburg was settled by the Obodrites by 595. In the Frankonian south populations of Wends were located. The center vacated by the Thuringians after the Frankish take-over, the Elbe-Saale sector, was populated by the Sorbs. From c. 600 onward the military and political power of the Obodrites was established along the Lower Elbe”
* Joachim Herrmann, "Slavs, Avars and the Merovingian kingdom" (1996), str. 284, “
After the successful battle of Wogastisburg, other Slavs groups followed Samo, among them Dervanus dux ex gente surbiorum who had
previously been part of the Merovingian kingdom for a long time...”
gdje (nizina Zale-Labe):
* Gerald Stone, "Slav Outposts in Central European History: The Wends, Sorbs and Kashubs" (2015), str. 8, "The first refence to the Sorbs (Surbi), dated 630 or 631, does not locate them, but
in the eighth and ninth centuries there are several sources which place them close to the Rivers Elbe, Saale, and Mulde. It is significant that Thietmar (975-1018), who describes the Spree landscape later associated with the Sorbs, does not record the name Sorabi (or anything like it)", str. 9, "
In 782, according to the Frankish chronicler Einhardus, Charlemagne, hearing that the Sorbs, ‘Slavs who
inhabit the plains between the Elbe and the Saale’, had carried out raids into the Saxon and Thuringian lands..."
* Joachim Herrmann, "Slavs, Avars and the Merovingian kingdom" (1996), str. 284, "...
This means that the Serbs in the Saale-Elbe valley settled in a region which belonged originally, in the sixth century, to the Thuringian part of the Frankish kingdom"
* Saskia Pronk-Tiethoff, "The Germanic loanwords in Proto-Slavic" (2013), str. 68-69, "
In the ninth century, the eastern frontier of the Frankish Empire was formed by the limes Sorabicus. Th
e exact location of the limes Sorabicus is not clear but it is supposed to have mainly followed the course of the river Saale. This river is described by Charlemagne’s chronicler as the border between the German Thuringians and the Slavic Sorbs..."
* Florin Curta, "Eastern Europe in the Middle Ages (500-1300)" (2019), str. 43, "Although there is no indication of where exactly the Sorbs lived,
some associate Fredegar’s information with that of 9th century Frankish sources that place the Sorbs on the middle Elbe river".
Odnosno, Herrmann na str. 282, "At the end of the fifth and the beginning of the sixth century ... Meanwhile the region of the middle Danube, the former Roman Pannonia, the western parts of present Romania, Slovakia and Moravia were dominated by the Germanic tribal kingdoms of the Gepids and the Langobards (Lombards) up to 566 and 568. Until 531 central Europe was dominated by the tribal kingdom of the Thuringians. In this year the Merovingians, allied with the Saxons, conquered it. After this event parts of Bohemia and the regions between the rivers Elbe, Saale and Oder, originally belonging to the Thuringian Kingdom, were out with any political control and rule... From this time the Slav migrations reached parts of these regions, represented ... of the Sukow-Szeligi-type and in the Czech Republic by the Prague culture ... In this way we are able to distinguish
two main waves of early Slav migration into central Europe in the sixth century.”
