G25 резултати

[Никац]

да не затрпавам више тему о влашким резултатима, наставићу овдје о G25 координатама, ако неког занима.

Срби из централне, западне Србије и Војводине добивају: Словене, Мезо-Романе (локалце и блискоисточне), Кумане у траговима.

Target: SerbianW
Distance: 1.1457% / 0.01145683
34.4   HUN_Avar_Szolad(Sloven_Panonija)
28.6   SRB_Roman
26.2   TUR_Marmara_Ilipinar_Byz3(Sloven_Anadolija)
9.6   SRB_Roman_MiddleEast
1.2   ROU_Ploiesti_MA (Kuman)

Крајишки и Босански Срби имају и утицај Илиро-Романа:

Target: SerbianK
Distance: 1.3198% / 0.01319822
36.8   HUN_Avar_Szolad(Sloven_Panonija)
23.8   TUR_Marmara_Ilipinar_Byz3(Sloven_Anadolija)
10.8   HRV_Roman_MiddleEast
9.0   HRV_North_Roman
7.2   MNE_Roman
6.0   HRV_Roman
5.0   SRB_Roman
1.4   ROU_Ploiesti_MA (Kuman)

Код Срба из југоисточне Србије је веома слаб утицај блискоисточних Римљана, а превладавају Мезо-Романи-локалци:

Target: SerbianE
Distance: 1.4837% / 0.01483656
40.8   SRB_Roman
31.6   TUR_Marmara_Ilipinar_Byz3(Sloven_Anadolija)
21.6   HUN_Avar_Szolad(Sloven_Panonija)
4.8   HRV_Roman_MiddleEast
1.2   ROU_Ploiesti_MA (Kuman)

Црногорци, занимљиво, не добивају Илиро-Романе, само Мезе. Ту је и германски утицај.

Target: Montenegrin
Distance: 0.7442% / 0.00744217
35.2   HUN_Avar_Szolad(Sloven_Panonija)
32.2   SRB_Roman
15.2   TUR_Marmara_Ilipinar_Byz3(Sloven_Anadolija)
12.2   HRV_Roman_MiddleEast
4.2   SVN_Germanic
1.0   ROU_Ploiesti_MA (Kuman)

Занимљив је и однос панонског и анадолског Словена. Панонски је најјачи код Словенаца, а анадолски расте према истоку, иако постоје одступања. Вјерујем да ће се ситуација додатно искристализирати кад добијемо још ранословенских узорака.

[Никац]

Ево сад модел за наше "рођаке" Молдавце:

Target: Moldovan
Distance: 0.6276% / 0.00627633
26.6   RUS_MA_Slavic
24.8   HUN_Avar_Szolad(Sloven_Panonija)
20.0   HUN_east_LateAntiquity
12.4   TUR_Marmara_Ilipinar_Byz3(Sloven_Anadolija)
7.0   SRB_Roman
6.2   HRV_Roman_MiddleEast
2.0   ROU_Ploiesti_MA
1.0   IND_Roopkund_A

Они дефинитивно показују јачи утицај средњовјековних источних Словена, и Дако-Романа. Ту је и малени Ромски утицај. Дакле, их ипак може разликовати од нас, иако се радио о миксу сродних компоненти у сличним омјерима.

[НикПав]

Никац, да ли је ово модел који си сам направио од узорака?

[Никац]

Никац, да ли је ово модел који си сам направио од узорака?

Јесте. Овдје би требали бити сви релевантни узорци за западни Балкан у доба доесељења Словена:

Код: [Изабери]

BGR_RomByz(Thracian),0.114961,0.180764,0.000754,-0.055556,0.023081,-0.02008,-0.00611,0.000462,0.017998,0.043737,-0.008607,0.001649,-0.024678,-0.017616,-0.021444,-0.00716,0.020079,-0.013302,-0.006913,-0.004752,-0.013227,0.016075,-0.006655,0.023377,-0.008981
GRC_Marathon_Rom,0.104717,0.146236,-0.02753,-0.065569,-0.000308,-0.023985,0.00188,-0.004846,-0.003068,0.005467,0.014615,0.001349,0.001338,0.001514,-0.009772,0.012066,0.024773,-0.008235,0.008296,-0.001751,-0.002745,-0.003462,0.003328,0.000361,-0.003473
HRV_EMA_Avar_Asian,0.097888,0.023357,0.015839,-0.014535,0.002154,-0.003626,0.003055,0.001154,-0.002045,0.000729,-0.005196,0.006294,-0.003717,-0.002477,0.001357,-0.018563,-0.015385,-0.002154,0.005279,0.008129,-0.005116,0.007543,-0.00949,-0.000723,0.001557
HRV_LateAntiquity,0.1154355,0.1479288,0.0068825,-0.0278049,0.0215679,-0.012643,0.0006267,0.0002501,0.0032212,0.0207293,-0.0007172,0.0055577,-0.0124378,-0.0015941,-0.0089237,0.0011823,0.0068452,-0.0021643,0.0030065,-0.0046376,-0.0064781,0.0000824,-0.0012325,0.0013958,-0.0000998
HRV_North_Roman,0.119059,0.1494858,0.0242866,-0.0114342,0.0301594,-0.0068606,0.000705,0.0015232,0.0029042,0.0186974,0.000487,0.0056348,-0.0119226,-0.0068538,-0.0040714,-0.005171,-0.0002348,0.0010894,0.0072152,-0.0068784,-0.0041676,0.0036846,-0.0001972,0.004049,-0.0021556
HRV_Roman_MiddleEast,0.1069937,0.1428513,-0.030295,-0.055879,-0.0006153,-0.020266,-0.005797,-0.004923,-0.0114533,0.0142143,0.0053043,0.0061447,-0.000892,-0.0050003,-0.0102693,0.003536,0.0169933,-0.0023647,0.000419,-0.0040853,-0.0054487,-0.0010717,-0.003533,0.0012853,-0.0009983
HRV_Roman,0.1211076,0.1549698,0.0158392,-0.0264214,0.0300362,-0.0102632,-0.001128,0.0003692,0.0103488,0.031126,0.0019488,0.0049158,-0.0117442,-0.0037158,-0.0120246,-0.0086714,0.0002348,0.00299,0.0074414,-0.0078538,-0.0029198,0.0039076,0.001405,0.0016628,-0.0028736
HUN_Avar_Gepidian,0.1273193,0.1353556,0.0471401,0.024871,0.0350834,0.0075699,0.0018464,0.0036591,0.0041196,0.006118,-0.0036884,0.0036183,-0.0061799,-0.0032243,0.0048861,0.0062126,0.0029057,0.0038189,0.0057101,0.000661,0.003387,0.0017489,0.0018664,0.0087446,-0.0036951
HUN_Avar_RomanThracian,0.1197355,0.1455594,0.0154515,-0.0203849,0.0245771,-0.0076928,0.0002089,-0.0000256,0.0025452,0.0214988,0.000785,0.0049623,-0.0105797,0.0019306,-0.0104354,-0.0032338,0.0041034,0.0006827,0.00669,-0.0055408,-0.0059859,0.0039706,0.000017,0.0030961,-0.0028772
HUN_Avar_Szolad(Sloven_Panonija),0.133173,0.131511,0.07071,0.056848,0.0350835,0.028726,0.006815,0.0077305,0.006136,-0.016492,-0.0016235,-0.0060695,0.00773,0.021538,-0.0115365,-0.0017235,0,0.0013305,0.007856,5e-04,0.0007485,-0.004204,0.0083805,-0.006145,0.0030535
HUN_MA_Szolad_Local,0.1177254,0.151314,0.0157311,-0.0240866,0.0265981,-0.0119923,-0.0001343,-0.0016483,0.0063989,0.0262421,0.000951,0.0072791,-0.0122114,-0.0025757,-0.0056226,-0.0020834,0.0066681,0.0003257,0.0056026,-0.0035373,-0.0058647,0.0034974,0.0018136,0.000809,-0.004311
IND_Roopkund_A,0.0456004,-0.0622011,-0.1456394,0.1089727,-0.0717441,0.0594735,-0.0012631,0.0111052,0.037006,0.0210711,-0.0030548,-0.0002436,0.0001673,0.0026149,-0.0040969,-0.0050965,-0.0007741,0.0004197,-0.0004321,0.0016258,0.0017312,-0.0013061,0.0016253,0.0027336,-0.0037796
MNE_Roman,0.113823,0.153345,0.013576,-0.032623,0.016618,-0.013945,0.00517,-0.004846,-0.000409,0.029158,-0.006171,0.004646,-0.015758,-0.000138,-0.011808,-0.015646,-0.004303,0.008488,0.007919,-0.011005,-0.000624,0.007048,-0.003821,-0.004458,-0.004191
ROU_Ploiesti_MA,0.078538,-0.177718,0.06675,0.028747,-0.053856,-0.006693,0.012691,0.014307,-0.007567,-0.011845,-0.007795,-0.005245,0.001784,-0.01913,0.001086,-0.008221,-0.001304,0.005321,0.00176,0.005002,-0.015473,0.009027,-0.007641,-0.000723,0.005029
SRB_Roman_MiddleEast,0.095042,0.148267,-0.037901,-0.067184,-0.0092325,-0.023566,0.000705,-0.006115,-0.0016365,0.0174035,0.0002435,0.000075,0.0081765,0.002202,-0.0095,-0.0062315,0.0000655,0.001837,0.012821,-0.0044395,-0.0088595,0.004266,-0.0030195,-0.003856,0.00012
SRB_Roman,0.121601,0.155376,0.0147707,-0.0269167,0.031339,-0.0101332,0.00094,0.0043077,0.0062722,0.0310408,0.0033558,0.0088423,-0.0128343,0.0005273,-0.0163997,-0.0062537,0.0057587,-0.0007602,0.007877,-0.0078372,-0.0089425,0.0031737,-0.0026293,0.0031932,-0.0017362
SVN_Emona,0.1206522,0.1475055,0.0247015,-0.011951,0.024543,-0.007112,0.0035838,0.0026538,0.0056245,0.0227795,0.0012178,0.0058072,-0.0095515,0.0019268,-0.0095345,-0.0009612,0.0084748,-0.0005382,0.000817,-0.0017508,-0.0027762,0.0018238,0.0028345,0.0032835,-0.0050292
SVN_Germanic:R10474,0.133173,0.121864,0.072784,0.06783,0.040931,0.026774,0.008225,0.006692,-0.006545,-0.010205,-0.002436,0.007493,-0.011298,-0.006331,0.02158,0.023468,0.017211,0.003927,0.008296,0.010005,0.011605,0.001484,0.007395,0.010845,-0.005029
TUR_Marmara_Ilipinar_Byz3(Sloven_Anadolija),0.130897,0.133034,0.065242,0.037791,0.043085,0.008646,0.008225,0.019615,-0.005931,-0.016401,0.00065,-0.007343,0.008771,0.019955,-0.008143,0.003447,0.009257,-0.004434,-0.004651,-0.002626,-0.007736,-0.005193,0.011216,-0.007712,-0.007664

[Ивица Јовановић]

Target: ivica
Distance: 0.9240% / 0.00924028
42.2   HUN_Avar_Szolad(Sloven_Panonija)
39.0   SRB_Roman
8.0   TUR_Marmara_Ilipinar_Byz3(Sloven_Anadolija)
5.4   HRV_Roman_MiddleEast
3.4   GRC_Marathon_Rom
2.0   MNE_Roman



Distance to:   ivica
0.03711462   HUN_Avar_Gepidian
0.04146117   SVN_Emona
0.04467739   HRV_North_Roman
0.04961670   HUN_Avar_RomanThracian
0.05690886   TUR_Marmara_Ilipinar_Byz3(Sloven_Anadolija)
0.05792301   HUN_MA_Szolad_Local
0.06048573   SRB_Roman
0.06121714   HRV_Roman
0.06206435   HRV_LateAntiquity
0.06944911   HUN_Avar_Szolad(Sloven_Panonija)
0.07143429   MNE_Roman
0.09523320   SVN_Germanic:R10474
0.11141201   HRV_Roman_MiddleEast
0.11576733   BGR_RomByz(Thracian)
0.11735558   GRC_Marathon_Rom
0.12724084   SRB_Roman_MiddleEast
0.13889976   HRV_EMA_Avar_Asian
0.32942810   IND_Roopkund_A
0.34263817   ROU_Ploiesti_MA

Moglo je i gore 

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Јесте. Овдје би требали бити сви релевантни узорци за западни Балкан у доба доесељења Словена:

Код: [Изабери]

BGR_RomByz(Thracian),0.114961,0.180764,0.000754,-0.055556,0.023081,-0.02008,-0.00611,0.000462,0.017998,0.043737,-0.008607,0.001649,-0.024678,-0.017616,-0.021444,-0.00716,0.020079,-0.013302,-0.006913,-0.004752,-0.013227,0.016075,-0.006655,0.023377,-0.008981
GRC_Marathon_Rom,0.104717,0.146236,-0.02753,-0.065569,-0.000308,-0.023985,0.00188,-0.004846,-0.003068,0.005467,0.014615,0.001349,0.001338,0.001514,-0.009772,0.012066,0.024773,-0.008235,0.008296,-0.001751,-0.002745,-0.003462,0.003328,0.000361,-0.003473
HRV_EMA_Avar_Asian,0.097888,0.023357,0.015839,-0.014535,0.002154,-0.003626,0.003055,0.001154,-0.002045,0.000729,-0.005196,0.006294,-0.003717,-0.002477,0.001357,-0.018563,-0.015385,-0.002154,0.005279,0.008129,-0.005116,0.007543,-0.00949,-0.000723,0.001557
HRV_LateAntiquity,0.1154355,0.1479288,0.0068825,-0.0278049,0.0215679,-0.012643,0.0006267,0.0002501,0.0032212,0.0207293,-0.0007172,0.0055577,-0.0124378,-0.0015941,-0.0089237,0.0011823,0.0068452,-0.0021643,0.0030065,-0.0046376,-0.0064781,0.0000824,-0.0012325,0.0013958,-0.0000998
HRV_North_Roman,0.119059,0.1494858,0.0242866,-0.0114342,0.0301594,-0.0068606,0.000705,0.0015232,0.0029042,0.0186974,0.000487,0.0056348,-0.0119226,-0.0068538,-0.0040714,-0.005171,-0.0002348,0.0010894,0.0072152,-0.0068784,-0.0041676,0.0036846,-0.0001972,0.004049,-0.0021556
HRV_Roman_MiddleEast,0.1069937,0.1428513,-0.030295,-0.055879,-0.0006153,-0.020266,-0.005797,-0.004923,-0.0114533,0.0142143,0.0053043,0.0061447,-0.000892,-0.0050003,-0.0102693,0.003536,0.0169933,-0.0023647,0.000419,-0.0040853,-0.0054487,-0.0010717,-0.003533,0.0012853,-0.0009983
HRV_Roman,0.1211076,0.1549698,0.0158392,-0.0264214,0.0300362,-0.0102632,-0.001128,0.0003692,0.0103488,0.031126,0.0019488,0.0049158,-0.0117442,-0.0037158,-0.0120246,-0.0086714,0.0002348,0.00299,0.0074414,-0.0078538,-0.0029198,0.0039076,0.001405,0.0016628,-0.0028736
HUN_Avar_Gepidian,0.1273193,0.1353556,0.0471401,0.024871,0.0350834,0.0075699,0.0018464,0.0036591,0.0041196,0.006118,-0.0036884,0.0036183,-0.0061799,-0.0032243,0.0048861,0.0062126,0.0029057,0.0038189,0.0057101,0.000661,0.003387,0.0017489,0.0018664,0.0087446,-0.0036951
HUN_Avar_RomanThracian,0.1197355,0.1455594,0.0154515,-0.0203849,0.0245771,-0.0076928,0.0002089,-0.0000256,0.0025452,0.0214988,0.000785,0.0049623,-0.0105797,0.0019306,-0.0104354,-0.0032338,0.0041034,0.0006827,0.00669,-0.0055408,-0.0059859,0.0039706,0.000017,0.0030961,-0.0028772
HUN_Avar_Szolad(Sloven_Panonija),0.133173,0.131511,0.07071,0.056848,0.0350835,0.028726,0.006815,0.0077305,0.006136,-0.016492,-0.0016235,-0.0060695,0.00773,0.021538,-0.0115365,-0.0017235,0,0.0013305,0.007856,5e-04,0.0007485,-0.004204,0.0083805,-0.006145,0.0030535
HUN_MA_Szolad_Local,0.1177254,0.151314,0.0157311,-0.0240866,0.0265981,-0.0119923,-0.0001343,-0.0016483,0.0063989,0.0262421,0.000951,0.0072791,-0.0122114,-0.0025757,-0.0056226,-0.0020834,0.0066681,0.0003257,0.0056026,-0.0035373,-0.0058647,0.0034974,0.0018136,0.000809,-0.004311
IND_Roopkund_A,0.0456004,-0.0622011,-0.1456394,0.1089727,-0.0717441,0.0594735,-0.0012631,0.0111052,0.037006,0.0210711,-0.0030548,-0.0002436,0.0001673,0.0026149,-0.0040969,-0.0050965,-0.0007741,0.0004197,-0.0004321,0.0016258,0.0017312,-0.0013061,0.0016253,0.0027336,-0.0037796
MNE_Roman,0.113823,0.153345,0.013576,-0.032623,0.016618,-0.013945,0.00517,-0.004846,-0.000409,0.029158,-0.006171,0.004646,-0.015758,-0.000138,-0.011808,-0.015646,-0.004303,0.008488,0.007919,-0.011005,-0.000624,0.007048,-0.003821,-0.004458,-0.004191
ROU_Ploiesti_MA,0.078538,-0.177718,0.06675,0.028747,-0.053856,-0.006693,0.012691,0.014307,-0.007567,-0.011845,-0.007795,-0.005245,0.001784,-0.01913,0.001086,-0.008221,-0.001304,0.005321,0.00176,0.005002,-0.015473,0.009027,-0.007641,-0.000723,0.005029
SRB_Roman_MiddleEast,0.095042,0.148267,-0.037901,-0.067184,-0.0092325,-0.023566,0.000705,-0.006115,-0.0016365,0.0174035,0.0002435,0.000075,0.0081765,0.002202,-0.0095,-0.0062315,0.0000655,0.001837,0.012821,-0.0044395,-0.0088595,0.004266,-0.0030195,-0.003856,0.00012
SRB_Roman,0.121601,0.155376,0.0147707,-0.0269167,0.031339,-0.0101332,0.00094,0.0043077,0.0062722,0.0310408,0.0033558,0.0088423,-0.0128343,0.0005273,-0.0163997,-0.0062537,0.0057587,-0.0007602,0.007877,-0.0078372,-0.0089425,0.0031737,-0.0026293,0.0031932,-0.0017362
SVN_Emona,0.1206522,0.1475055,0.0247015,-0.011951,0.024543,-0.007112,0.0035838,0.0026538,0.0056245,0.0227795,0.0012178,0.0058072,-0.0095515,0.0019268,-0.0095345,-0.0009612,0.0084748,-0.0005382,0.000817,-0.0017508,-0.0027762,0.0018238,0.0028345,0.0032835,-0.0050292
SVN_Germanic:R10474,0.133173,0.121864,0.072784,0.06783,0.040931,0.026774,0.008225,0.006692,-0.006545,-0.010205,-0.002436,0.007493,-0.011298,-0.006331,0.02158,0.023468,0.017211,0.003927,0.008296,0.010005,0.011605,0.001484,0.007395,0.010845,-0.005029
TUR_Marmara_Ilipinar_Byz3(Sloven_Anadolija),0.130897,0.133034,0.065242,0.037791,0.043085,0.008646,0.008225,0.019615,-0.005931,-0.016401,0.00065,-0.007343,0.008771,0.019955,-0.008143,0.003447,0.009257,-0.004434,-0.004651,-0.002626,-0.007736,-0.005193,0.011216,-0.007712,-0.007664

Хвала, ево и мојих резултата.

Target: Dušan_g25
Distance: 1.3842% / 0.01384190
35.2   HUN_Avar_Szolad(Sloven_Panonija)
34.0   TUR_Marmara_Ilipinar_Byz3(Sloven_Anadolija)
14.6   SRB_Roman
7.8   BGR_RomByz(Thracian)
4.0   HRV_Roman_MiddleEast
2.8   ROU_Ploiesti_MA
1.6   MNE_Roman

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Крајишки и Босански Срби имају и утицај Илиро-Романа:

Target: SerbianK
Distance: 1.3198% / 0.01319822
36.8   HUN_Avar_Szolad(Sloven_Panonija)
23.8   TUR_Marmara_Ilipinar_Byz3(Sloven_Anadolija)
10.8   HRV_Roman_MiddleEast
9.0   HRV_North_Roman
7.2   MNE_Roman
6.0   HRV_Roman
5.0   SRB_Roman
1.4   ROU_Ploiesti_MA (Kuman)

Ово је погрешан закључак.
Пре-словенска компонента крајишких Срба не разликује се од осталих.

Зашто се очекује присуство тих локалних Илира ("HRV_Roman"), када смо насељени на празан простор током 16. века?
Пресловенска компонента је централнобалканска мезијска, у мом случају чак вуче према трачанској из неког разлога.

[Никац]

Ово је погрешан закључак.
Пре-словенска компонента крајишких Срба не разликује се од осталих.

Зашто се очекује присуство тих локалних Илира ("HRV_Roman"), када смо насељени на празан простор током 16. века?
Пресловенска компонента је централнобалканска мезијска, у мом случају чак вуче према трачанској из неког разлога.

Овдје су 2 крајишка и 1 (источно)босански Србин узети као примјер Срба западно од Ибра.

Да имамо резултате из Херцеговине или Западне Србије, вјерујем да би били слични овоме. У Црној Гори су већ неки други процеси.

У изворној средњовјековној Србији (западно од Ибра) Срби су се мијешали с некаквим Илиро-Романима, који наравно нису више били чисти Илири. Мислим да ови узорци HRV_Roman и MNE_Roman управо њих представљају.

Од њихових хаплогрупа преживјеле су, по мом мишљењу Васојевићка грана E-V13, и J2b1 Кричи.

Наравно, кад су се Срби почели ширити источно од Ибра, шире са собом и нешто те илиро-романске генетике. Мислим да се управо овако ширила J2b1  према унутрашњости Балкана.
Али то су можда неке нијансе које G25 не може препознати.

[Душан]

Овдје су 2 крајишка и 1 (источно)босански Србин узети као примјер Срба западно од Ибра.

Да имамо резултате из Херцеговине или Западне Србије, вјерујем да би били слични овоме. У Црној Гори су већ неки други процеси.

У изворној средњовјековној Србији (западно од Ибра) Срби су се мијешали с некаквим Илиро-Романима, који наравно нису више били чисти Илири. Мислим да ови узорци HRV_Roman и MNE_Roman управо њих представљају.

Од њихових хаплогрупа преживјеле су, по мом мишљењу Васојевићка грана E-V13, и J2b1 Кричи.

Наравно, кад су се Срби почели ширити источно од Ибра, шире са собом и нешто те илиро-романске генетике. Мислим да се управо овако ширила J2b1  према унутрашњости Балкана.
Али то су можда неке нијансе које G25 не може препознати.

Ево и Драјвер је добио сличне компоненте као и ја:

Target: Simo_scaled
Distance: 1.6191% / 0.01619143
33.2   HUN_Avar_Szolad(Sloven_Panonija)
20.2   TUR_Marmara_Ilipinar_Byz3(Sloven_Anadolija)
19.2   BGR_RomByz(Thracian)
18.8   HUN_Avar_RomanThracian
5.8   SRB_Roman
2.6   ROU_Ploiesti_MA
0.2   SRB_Roman_MiddleEast

[НикПав]

Имајте у виду и чињеницу да коришћење симулованих координата даје мало другачије резултате од оригиналних (ипак нису добијене истом методом), као и чињеницу да код калкулатора који користе узорке који су релативно слични може доћи до тога да једна компонента "једе" другу.
Можда би било добро користити ADC 0.25 или чак 0.5, али у том случају ће и нека минорна наслеђа нестати.

[Никац]

Имајте у виду и чињеницу да коришћење симулованих координата даје мало другачије резултате од оригиналних (ипак нису добијене истом методом), као и чињеницу да код калкулатора који користе узорке који су релативно слични може доћи до тога да једна компонента "једе" другу.
Можда би било добро користити ADC 0.25 или чак 0.5, али у том случају ће и нека минорна наслеђа нестати.

Све координате коришћене у овој теми су оригинали, осим Душанових.

[НикПав]

Све координате коришћене у овој теми су оригинали, осим Душанових.

О томе причам. Не знам за Драјвера.

[Никац]

О томе причам. Не знам за Драјвера.

мислим да су и његове оригинал.

[НикПав]

Ево и наших резултата

[Ивица Јовановић]

Miodragu da se da senatorska tunika 

[НикПав]

Miodragu da se da senatorska tunika 

Деда је баш типични представник ЈИ Србије из Никчевог првог поста, где доминира SRB_Roman компонента.

[Душан]

Све координате коришћене у овој теми су оригинали, осим Душанових.

G25 координате настале симулацијом из Eurogenes K36, се са тачношћу преко 90% поклапају са онима које направи тај Пољак Давидски.

Конвертер: https://www.exploreyourdna.com/simulated-g25.aspx

https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/42566-Tool-for-converting-K36-to-G25-coordinates?s=88a3188763253c4d8d5ba0d6aaf1bbf9

[НикПав]

Target: sample_simulated_g25_scaled
Distance: 1.0753% / 0.01075331
31.8  HUN_Avar_Szolad(Sloven_Panonija)
28.8   TUR_Marmara_Ilipinar_Byz3(Sloven_Anadolija)
27.4   SRB_Roman
9.8   SRB_Roman_MiddleEast
1.4   GRC_Marathon_Rom
0.8   ROU_Ploiesti_MA

Ево мог резултата са симулованим Г25, удео компоненти се доста разликује од оригинала.
Како симулован секс није исто што и прави, тако ни симуловане координате не могу до краја да одраде посао.

[drajver]

мислим да су и његове оригинал.

Ваистину јесу.

[сɣнце]

Поријекло Подкозарије и сјеверно Подриње
G25 координате симуловане

Target: G25Drazen
Distance: 1.0904% / 0.01090438
38.0   HUN_Avar_Szolad(Sloven_Panonija)
32.0   HUN_Avar_RomanThracian
21.2   TUR_Marmara_Ilipinar_Byz3(Sloven_Anadolija)
5.8           SVN_Germanic
2.4           SRB_Roman_MiddleEast
0.6       IND_Roopkund_A

Distance to:   G25Drazen
0.03213710   HUN_Avar_Gepidian
0.03903775   TUR_Marmara_Ilipinar_Byz3(Sloven_Anadolija)
0.04888428   HUN_Avar_Szolad(Sloven_Panonija)
0.06208535   SVN_Emona
0.06439745   HRV_North_Roman
0.07103884   HUN_Avar_RomanThracian
0.07679159   SVN_Germanic:R10474
0.07926792   HUN_MA_Szolad_Local
0.08322681   HRV_LateAntiquity
0.08342239   SRB_Roman
0.08362174   HRV_Roman
0.09315226   MNE_Roman
0.13021172   HRV_Roman_MiddleEast
0.13590117   GRC_Marathon_Rom
0.13671310   BGR_RomByz(Thracian)
0.13796588   HRV_EMA_Avar_Asian
0.14639895   SRB_Roman_MiddleEast
0.32459367   IND_Roopkund_A
0.33318552   ROU_Ploiesti_MA

[Никац]

G25 координате настале симулацијом из Eurogenes K36, се са тачношћу преко 90% поклапају са онима које направи тај Пољак Давидски.

Конвертер: https://www.exploreyourdna.com/simulated-g25.aspx

https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/42566-Tool-for-converting-K36-to-G25-coordinates?s=88a3188763253c4d8d5ba0d6aaf1bbf9

Нисам рекао ништа против. Само наглашавам да су оригинали, за оне које занима.

[сɣнце]

Чисто ради упоредбе резултати једне Украјинке из Николајева која има и Лезгинске коријене преко дједа

Target: K36Alia
Distance: 2.5466% / 0.02546603
33.4   HUN_Avar_Szolad(Sloven_Panonija)
27.2   SVN_Germanic
19.8   TUR_Marmara_Ilipinar_Byz3(Sloven_Anadolija)
7.8           HRV_Roman_MiddleEast
4.8           SRB_Roman_MiddleEast
4.6      IND_Roopkund_A
2.4           HRV_EMA_Avar_Asian

Distance to:   K36Alia
0.04941868   TUR_Marmara_Ilipinar_Byz3(Sloven_Anadolija)
0.05000668   HUN_Avar_Szolad(Sloven_Panonija)
0.05126326   HUN_Avar_Gepidian
0.06458861   SVN_Germanic:R10474
0.08931220   SVN_Emona
0.08981400   HRV_North_Roman
0.09662198   HUN_Avar_RomanThracian
0.10521940   HUN_MA_Szolad_Local
0.10637781   HRV_LateAntiquity
0.11188802   HRV_Roman
0.11237693   SRB_Roman
0.11677664   MNE_Roman
0.13317542   HRV_EMA_Avar_Asian
0.14422800   HRV_Roman_MiddleEast
0.15105915   GRC_Marathon_Rom
0.16125160   SRB_Roman_MiddleEast
0.16318926   BGR_RomByz(Thracian)
0.30846876   IND_Roopkund_A
0.31790230   ROU_Ploiesti_MA

[Никац]

Поријекло Подкозарије и сјеверно Подриње
G25 координате симуловане

Target: G25Drazen
Distance: 1.0904% / 0.01090438
38.0   HUN_Avar_Szolad(Sloven_Panonija)
32.0   HUN_Avar_RomanThracian
21.2   TUR_Marmara_Ilipinar_Byz3(Sloven_Anadolija)
5.8           SVN_Germanic
2.4           SRB_Roman_MiddleEast
0.6       IND_Roopkund_A

Distance to:   G25Drazen
0.03213710   HUN_Avar_Gepidian
0.03903775   TUR_Marmara_Ilipinar_Byz3(Sloven_Anadolija)
0.04888428   HUN_Avar_Szolad(Sloven_Panonija)
0.06208535   SVN_Emona
0.06439745   HRV_North_Roman
0.07103884   HUN_Avar_RomanThracian
0.07679159   SVN_Germanic:R10474
0.07926792   HUN_MA_Szolad_Local
0.08322681   HRV_LateAntiquity
0.08342239   SRB_Roman
0.08362174   HRV_Roman
0.09315226   MNE_Roman
0.13021172   HRV_Roman_MiddleEast
0.13590117   GRC_Marathon_Rom
0.13671310   BGR_RomByz(Thracian)
0.13796588   HRV_EMA_Avar_Asian
0.14639895   SRB_Roman_MiddleEast
0.32459367   IND_Roopkund_A
0.33318552   ROU_Ploiesti_MA

Ово је кластер аварских узорака из источне Мађарске без много азијске или словенске генетике, а богати су микењанско-трачком и aнадолском. По Y-ДНК су углавном E-V13.

Дођу нешто као они Куберови Сермезијанци. Нису баш из Срема, али свакако су неког сличног постанка.

[Душан]

Јесте. Овдје би требали бити сви релевантни узорци за западни Балкан у доба доесељења Словена:

Код: [Изабери]

BGR_RomByz(Thracian),0.114961,0.180764,0.000754,-0.055556,0.023081,-0.02008,-0.00611,0.000462,0.017998,0.043737,-0.008607,0.001649,-0.024678,-0.017616,-0.021444,-0.00716,0.020079,-0.013302,-0.006913,-0.004752,-0.013227,0.016075,-0.006655,0.023377,-0.008981
GRC_Marathon_Rom,0.104717,0.146236,-0.02753,-0.065569,-0.000308,-0.023985,0.00188,-0.004846,-0.003068,0.005467,0.014615,0.001349,0.001338,0.001514,-0.009772,0.012066,0.024773,-0.008235,0.008296,-0.001751,-0.002745,-0.003462,0.003328,0.000361,-0.003473
HRV_EMA_Avar_Asian,0.097888,0.023357,0.015839,-0.014535,0.002154,-0.003626,0.003055,0.001154,-0.002045,0.000729,-0.005196,0.006294,-0.003717,-0.002477,0.001357,-0.018563,-0.015385,-0.002154,0.005279,0.008129,-0.005116,0.007543,-0.00949,-0.000723,0.001557
HRV_LateAntiquity,0.1154355,0.1479288,0.0068825,-0.0278049,0.0215679,-0.012643,0.0006267,0.0002501,0.0032212,0.0207293,-0.0007172,0.0055577,-0.0124378,-0.0015941,-0.0089237,0.0011823,0.0068452,-0.0021643,0.0030065,-0.0046376,-0.0064781,0.0000824,-0.0012325,0.0013958,-0.0000998
HRV_North_Roman,0.119059,0.1494858,0.0242866,-0.0114342,0.0301594,-0.0068606,0.000705,0.0015232,0.0029042,0.0186974,0.000487,0.0056348,-0.0119226,-0.0068538,-0.0040714,-0.005171,-0.0002348,0.0010894,0.0072152,-0.0068784,-0.0041676,0.0036846,-0.0001972,0.004049,-0.0021556
HRV_Roman_MiddleEast,0.1069937,0.1428513,-0.030295,-0.055879,-0.0006153,-0.020266,-0.005797,-0.004923,-0.0114533,0.0142143,0.0053043,0.0061447,-0.000892,-0.0050003,-0.0102693,0.003536,0.0169933,-0.0023647,0.000419,-0.0040853,-0.0054487,-0.0010717,-0.003533,0.0012853,-0.0009983
HRV_Roman,0.1211076,0.1549698,0.0158392,-0.0264214,0.0300362,-0.0102632,-0.001128,0.0003692,0.0103488,0.031126,0.0019488,0.0049158,-0.0117442,-0.0037158,-0.0120246,-0.0086714,0.0002348,0.00299,0.0074414,-0.0078538,-0.0029198,0.0039076,0.001405,0.0016628,-0.0028736
HUN_Avar_Gepidian,0.1273193,0.1353556,0.0471401,0.024871,0.0350834,0.0075699,0.0018464,0.0036591,0.0041196,0.006118,-0.0036884,0.0036183,-0.0061799,-0.0032243,0.0048861,0.0062126,0.0029057,0.0038189,0.0057101,0.000661,0.003387,0.0017489,0.0018664,0.0087446,-0.0036951
HUN_Avar_RomanThracian,0.1197355,0.1455594,0.0154515,-0.0203849,0.0245771,-0.0076928,0.0002089,-0.0000256,0.0025452,0.0214988,0.000785,0.0049623,-0.0105797,0.0019306,-0.0104354,-0.0032338,0.0041034,0.0006827,0.00669,-0.0055408,-0.0059859,0.0039706,0.000017,0.0030961,-0.0028772
HUN_Avar_Szolad(Sloven_Panonija),0.133173,0.131511,0.07071,0.056848,0.0350835,0.028726,0.006815,0.0077305,0.006136,-0.016492,-0.0016235,-0.0060695,0.00773,0.021538,-0.0115365,-0.0017235,0,0.0013305,0.007856,5e-04,0.0007485,-0.004204,0.0083805,-0.006145,0.0030535
HUN_MA_Szolad_Local,0.1177254,0.151314,0.0157311,-0.0240866,0.0265981,-0.0119923,-0.0001343,-0.0016483,0.0063989,0.0262421,0.000951,0.0072791,-0.0122114,-0.0025757,-0.0056226,-0.0020834,0.0066681,0.0003257,0.0056026,-0.0035373,-0.0058647,0.0034974,0.0018136,0.000809,-0.004311
IND_Roopkund_A,0.0456004,-0.0622011,-0.1456394,0.1089727,-0.0717441,0.0594735,-0.0012631,0.0111052,0.037006,0.0210711,-0.0030548,-0.0002436,0.0001673,0.0026149,-0.0040969,-0.0050965,-0.0007741,0.0004197,-0.0004321,0.0016258,0.0017312,-0.0013061,0.0016253,0.0027336,-0.0037796
MNE_Roman,0.113823,0.153345,0.013576,-0.032623,0.016618,-0.013945,0.00517,-0.004846,-0.000409,0.029158,-0.006171,0.004646,-0.015758,-0.000138,-0.011808,-0.015646,-0.004303,0.008488,0.007919,-0.011005,-0.000624,0.007048,-0.003821,-0.004458,-0.004191
ROU_Ploiesti_MA,0.078538,-0.177718,0.06675,0.028747,-0.053856,-0.006693,0.012691,0.014307,-0.007567,-0.011845,-0.007795,-0.005245,0.001784,-0.01913,0.001086,-0.008221,-0.001304,0.005321,0.00176,0.005002,-0.015473,0.009027,-0.007641,-0.000723,0.005029
SRB_Roman_MiddleEast,0.095042,0.148267,-0.037901,-0.067184,-0.0092325,-0.023566,0.000705,-0.006115,-0.0016365,0.0174035,0.0002435,0.000075,0.0081765,0.002202,-0.0095,-0.0062315,0.0000655,0.001837,0.012821,-0.0044395,-0.0088595,0.004266,-0.0030195,-0.003856,0.00012
SRB_Roman,0.121601,0.155376,0.0147707,-0.0269167,0.031339,-0.0101332,0.00094,0.0043077,0.0062722,0.0310408,0.0033558,0.0088423,-0.0128343,0.0005273,-0.0163997,-0.0062537,0.0057587,-0.0007602,0.007877,-0.0078372,-0.0089425,0.0031737,-0.0026293,0.0031932,-0.0017362
SVN_Emona,0.1206522,0.1475055,0.0247015,-0.011951,0.024543,-0.007112,0.0035838,0.0026538,0.0056245,0.0227795,0.0012178,0.0058072,-0.0095515,0.0019268,-0.0095345,-0.0009612,0.0084748,-0.0005382,0.000817,-0.0017508,-0.0027762,0.0018238,0.0028345,0.0032835,-0.0050292
SVN_Germanic:R10474,0.133173,0.121864,0.072784,0.06783,0.040931,0.026774,0.008225,0.006692,-0.006545,-0.010205,-0.002436,0.007493,-0.011298,-0.006331,0.02158,0.023468,0.017211,0.003927,0.008296,0.010005,0.011605,0.001484,0.007395,0.010845,-0.005029
TUR_Marmara_Ilipinar_Byz3(Sloven_Anadolija),0.130897,0.133034,0.065242,0.037791,0.043085,0.008646,0.008225,0.019615,-0.005931,-0.016401,0.00065,-0.007343,0.008771,0.019955,-0.008143,0.003447,0.009257,-0.004434,-0.004651,-0.002626,-0.007736,-0.005193,0.011216,-0.007712,-0.007664

Да ли имаш ове узорке у Еурогенес К36 или К13 формату?

[Никац]

Чисто ради упоредбе резултати једне Украјинке из Николајева која има и Лезгинске коријене преко дједа

Target: K36Alia
Distance: 2.5466% / 0.02546603
33.4   HUN_Avar_Szolad(Sloven_Panonija)
27.2   SVN_Germanic
19.8   TUR_Marmara_Ilipinar_Byz3(Sloven_Anadolija)
7.8           HRV_Roman_MiddleEast
4.8           SRB_Roman_MiddleEast
4.6      IND_Roopkund_A
2.4           HRV_EMA_Avar_Asian

Distance to:   K36Alia
0.04941868   TUR_Marmara_Ilipinar_Byz3(Sloven_Anadolija)
0.05000668   HUN_Avar_Szolad(Sloven_Panonija)
0.05126326   HUN_Avar_Gepidian
0.06458861   SVN_Germanic:R10474
0.08931220   SVN_Emona
0.08981400   HRV_North_Roman
0.09662198   HUN_Avar_RomanThracian
0.10521940   HUN_MA_Szolad_Local
0.10637781   HRV_LateAntiquity
0.11188802   HRV_Roman
0.11237693   SRB_Roman
0.11677664   MNE_Roman
0.13317542   HRV_EMA_Avar_Asian
0.14422800   HRV_Roman_MiddleEast
0.15105915   GRC_Marathon_Rom
0.16125160   SRB_Roman_MiddleEast
0.16318926   BGR_RomByz(Thracian)
0.30846876   IND_Roopkund_A
0.31790230   ROU_Ploiesti_MA

пробај ове координате за њу:

Код: [Изабери]

RUS_Alan_MA,0.109953,0.104599,-0.025418,-0.008979,-0.026282,0.005132,0.005452,-0.007246,-0.045691,-0.024821,0.002826,0.009831,-0.016680,-0.006578,0.005809,-0.002758,0.005372,-0.005904,-0.005732,0.003477,0.003893,0.006529,0.001553,-0.000409,-0.003664
RUS_MA_Baltic,0.124637,0.128972,0.078253,0.075582,0.042931,0.031096,0.004818,0.015923,-0.001125,-0.029158,-0.003654,-0.009742,0.017319,0.021194,-0.011265,0.009812,0.009649,-0.005891,0.001194,0.005878,-0.003993,-0.006183,0.009059,-0.000181,0.003952
RUS_MA_mixedSlavViking,0.119799,0.116278,0.072407,0.053295,0.038392,0.020150,0.009577,0.012519,0.001227,-0.021003,-0.001827,-0.003522,0.005092,0.007260,0.001357,0.007160,-0.002836,-0.007570,0.002357,0.004877,0.009265,-0.002102,0.004160,0.001958,-0.007095
RUS_MA_viking_Scandinavian,0.123925,0.120594,0.073067,0.063853,0.041277,0.021475,0.004906,0.009130,0.005778,-0.010012,-0.003177,0.000496,-0.003540,-0.003105,0.013470,0.010798,-0.001980,0.002185,0.004533,0.002822,0.005615,0.000634,-0.002018,0.011786,0.001452
RUS_MA_viking_WestEuro,0.118376,0.139128,0.061848,0.031977,0.033545,0.017849,0.008930,0.007384,0.008385,0.001458,-0.004384,0.006744,-0.010555,-0.018717,0.019001,0.010475,-0.010431,0.001140,-0.001131,-0.002001,0.001123,0.002349,-0.000986,0.002892,-0.000239
UKR_MA,0.124067,0.125926,0.061471,0.050711,0.030929,0.016176,0.005993,0.014076,-0.005625,-0.015855,0.001218,-0.006070,0.017022,0.026286,-0.016354,-0.000862,-0.002087,-0.002091,0.000189,0.002439,-0.003744,-0.007357,0.009367,-0.007230,0.003832
UKR_MA_Viking,0.126913,0.116278,0.081647,0.065246,0.044470,0.019383,0.006228,0.008884,0.001943,-0.015035,0.004060,0.000300,0.000744,-0.003303,0.013912,-0.006762,-0.020927,0.004751,0.001194,0.001313,0.004555,0.001175,0.001602,0.009279,0.001377
UKR_Crimea_Greek,0.104717,0.125926,-0.010559,-0.034884,-0.008617,-0.017012,-0.002585,-0.004615,-0.023111,-0.000729,0.005196,-0.003747,-0.006541,0.002615,-0.002036,-0.005834,0.001043,-0.011402,-0.005782,0.004877,0.006239,0.011994,0.005916,0.008073,-0.004431
RUS_Nomad_MA,0.087644,-0.090382,0.050534,0.031331,-0.036314,-0.008925,0.003760,0.007384,-0.009613,-0.016037,-0.007632,-0.001499,0.002527,-0.007019,-0.002172,-0.007425,-0.011735,0.004814,0.004022,-0.001000,-0.004243,0.008779,0.001972,-0.000120,-0.002754
RUS_Saltovo-Mayaki_low_res,0.117238,0.100537,-0.013953,-0.016150,-0.052317,0.004462,-0.003760,0.021922,-0.068311,-0.029158,-0.007795,0.022930,-0.012933,0.014450,0.026330,-0.036197,0.020731,-0.000760,-0.021494,0.011881,0.007362,-0.004699,-0.010846,-0.009158,-0.003832
BEL_MA:BEL024,0.134311,0.136081,0.065242,0.04522,0.038469,0.031515,0.003525,0.011538,0.003272,-0.012757,0.000974,-0.013938,0.019177,0.025185,-0.00475,0.002784,0.00326,0.00266,0.01345,0.001876,0.001248,-0.002844,-0.002218,-0.011809,-0.005628
RUS_earlyModern,0.125368,0.1031489,0.0740236,0.0635849,0.0320497,0.0211959,0.0073189,0.0133183,-0.003097,-0.022389,0.0001856,-0.0083713,0.0165651,0.0202896,-0.0109737,0.0003029,0.0033341,-0.0032759,0.0046689,0.0014471,-0.0003744,-0.0030913,0.0066906,-0.0004304,-0.0017107
RUS_MA_Slavic,0.1202255,0.1162781,0.0689659,0.0620564,0.0305055,0.0208124,0.0093709,0.0121149,-0.0002299,-0.0193169,-0.0018269,-0.0069501,0.0146431,0.0240324,-0.0077701,-0.0018728,0.0007986,-0.0036741,0.0020428,0.0027044,0.000265,-0.0061674,0.006794,-0.0061904,-0.004416
Rus_IA_FinnoUgric,0.1152459,0.0307198,0.0921116,0.088179,0.0026158,0.0160015,0.0117212,0.0158648,-0.00565,-0.0413678,0.0132145,-0.0100972,0.0231725,0.0002409,-0.0129442,-0.00121,0.0021512,-0.001346,-0.0039438,0.002345,0.0038838,-0.0019321,0.0021412,-0.0068834,0.0008382
RUS_MA_south,0.117807,0.1005375,0.045066,0.0285855,0.018157,0.008646,0.0019975,0.0088845,-0.0076695,-0.006014,-0.0014615,-0.003297,0.000595,0.0158955,-0.0093645,-0.0042425,-0.002868,0.0025335,0.0063475,-0.008129,-0.0013725,-0.002473,0.004314,-0.0050605,0.001437
RUS_MA_mixedSlavFinnic,0.1175222,0.0672788,0.0857952,0.0805078,0.0203882,0.018546,0.0094592,0.0128648,-0.0006645,-0.033395,0.0068608,-0.0133755,0.023637,0.014003,-0.0143185,-0.0001325,0.0082795,-0.005954,-0.000534,0.0051585,-0.0005925,-0.004575,0.0,-0.0053622,0.000898
RUS_MA_TurkicNomad,0.075882,-0.1492827,0.0520427,0.015181,-0.041341,-0.0103193,0.0043867,0.010461,-0.010499,-0.010266,-0.0144523,-0.0019483,0.0019823,-0.0089913,0.0010403,-0.0009723,-0.0083013,0.003336,0.009176,0.006795,-0.015223,0.0023903,-0.0066143,-0.001687,-0.001916

[Никац]

Да ли имаш ове узорке у Еурогенес К36 или К13 формату?

Немам, нажалост.
ово су само координате које Давидски објављује на свом блогу, разврстане у кластере.

[сɣнце]

пробај ове координате за њу:

Код: [Изабери]

RUS_Alan_MA,0.109953,0.104599,-0.025418,-0.008979,-0.026282,0.005132,0.005452,-0.007246,-0.045691,-0.024821,0.002826,0.009831,-0.016680,-0.006578,0.005809,-0.002758,0.005372,-0.005904,-0.005732,0.003477,0.003893,0.006529,0.001553,-0.000409,-0.003664
RUS_MA_Baltic,0.124637,0.128972,0.078253,0.075582,0.042931,0.031096,0.004818,0.015923,-0.001125,-0.029158,-0.003654,-0.009742,0.017319,0.021194,-0.011265,0.009812,0.009649,-0.005891,0.001194,0.005878,-0.003993,-0.006183,0.009059,-0.000181,0.003952
RUS_MA_mixedSlavViking,0.119799,0.116278,0.072407,0.053295,0.038392,0.020150,0.009577,0.012519,0.001227,-0.021003,-0.001827,-0.003522,0.005092,0.007260,0.001357,0.007160,-0.002836,-0.007570,0.002357,0.004877,0.009265,-0.002102,0.004160,0.001958,-0.007095
RUS_MA_viking_Scandinavian,0.123925,0.120594,0.073067,0.063853,0.041277,0.021475,0.004906,0.009130,0.005778,-0.010012,-0.003177,0.000496,-0.003540,-0.003105,0.013470,0.010798,-0.001980,0.002185,0.004533,0.002822,0.005615,0.000634,-0.002018,0.011786,0.001452
RUS_MA_viking_WestEuro,0.118376,0.139128,0.061848,0.031977,0.033545,0.017849,0.008930,0.007384,0.008385,0.001458,-0.004384,0.006744,-0.010555,-0.018717,0.019001,0.010475,-0.010431,0.001140,-0.001131,-0.002001,0.001123,0.002349,-0.000986,0.002892,-0.000239
UKR_MA,0.124067,0.125926,0.061471,0.050711,0.030929,0.016176,0.005993,0.014076,-0.005625,-0.015855,0.001218,-0.006070,0.017022,0.026286,-0.016354,-0.000862,-0.002087,-0.002091,0.000189,0.002439,-0.003744,-0.007357,0.009367,-0.007230,0.003832
UKR_MA_Viking,0.126913,0.116278,0.081647,0.065246,0.044470,0.019383,0.006228,0.008884,0.001943,-0.015035,0.004060,0.000300,0.000744,-0.003303,0.013912,-0.006762,-0.020927,0.004751,0.001194,0.001313,0.004555,0.001175,0.001602,0.009279,0.001377
UKR_Crimea_Greek,0.104717,0.125926,-0.010559,-0.034884,-0.008617,-0.017012,-0.002585,-0.004615,-0.023111,-0.000729,0.005196,-0.003747,-0.006541,0.002615,-0.002036,-0.005834,0.001043,-0.011402,-0.005782,0.004877,0.006239,0.011994,0.005916,0.008073,-0.004431
RUS_Nomad_MA,0.087644,-0.090382,0.050534,0.031331,-0.036314,-0.008925,0.003760,0.007384,-0.009613,-0.016037,-0.007632,-0.001499,0.002527,-0.007019,-0.002172,-0.007425,-0.011735,0.004814,0.004022,-0.001000,-0.004243,0.008779,0.001972,-0.000120,-0.002754
RUS_Saltovo-Mayaki_low_res,0.117238,0.100537,-0.013953,-0.016150,-0.052317,0.004462,-0.003760,0.021922,-0.068311,-0.029158,-0.007795,0.022930,-0.012933,0.014450,0.026330,-0.036197,0.020731,-0.000760,-0.021494,0.011881,0.007362,-0.004699,-0.010846,-0.009158,-0.003832
BEL_MA:BEL024,0.134311,0.136081,0.065242,0.04522,0.038469,0.031515,0.003525,0.011538,0.003272,-0.012757,0.000974,-0.013938,0.019177,0.025185,-0.00475,0.002784,0.00326,0.00266,0.01345,0.001876,0.001248,-0.002844,-0.002218,-0.011809,-0.005628
RUS_earlyModern,0.125368,0.1031489,0.0740236,0.0635849,0.0320497,0.0211959,0.0073189,0.0133183,-0.003097,-0.022389,0.0001856,-0.0083713,0.0165651,0.0202896,-0.0109737,0.0003029,0.0033341,-0.0032759,0.0046689,0.0014471,-0.0003744,-0.0030913,0.0066906,-0.0004304,-0.0017107
RUS_MA_Slavic,0.1202255,0.1162781,0.0689659,0.0620564,0.0305055,0.0208124,0.0093709,0.0121149,-0.0002299,-0.0193169,-0.0018269,-0.0069501,0.0146431,0.0240324,-0.0077701,-0.0018728,0.0007986,-0.0036741,0.0020428,0.0027044,0.000265,-0.0061674,0.006794,-0.0061904,-0.004416
Rus_IA_FinnoUgric,0.1152459,0.0307198,0.0921116,0.088179,0.0026158,0.0160015,0.0117212,0.0158648,-0.00565,-0.0413678,0.0132145,-0.0100972,0.0231725,0.0002409,-0.0129442,-0.00121,0.0021512,-0.001346,-0.0039438,0.002345,0.0038838,-0.0019321,0.0021412,-0.0068834,0.0008382
RUS_MA_south,0.117807,0.1005375,0.045066,0.0285855,0.018157,0.008646,0.0019975,0.0088845,-0.0076695,-0.006014,-0.0014615,-0.003297,0.000595,0.0158955,-0.0093645,-0.0042425,-0.002868,0.0025335,0.0063475,-0.008129,-0.0013725,-0.002473,0.004314,-0.0050605,0.001437
RUS_MA_mixedSlavFinnic,0.1175222,0.0672788,0.0857952,0.0805078,0.0203882,0.018546,0.0094592,0.0128648,-0.0006645,-0.033395,0.0068608,-0.0133755,0.023637,0.014003,-0.0143185,-0.0001325,0.0082795,-0.005954,-0.000534,0.0051585,-0.0005925,-0.004575,0.0,-0.0053622,0.000898
RUS_MA_TurkicNomad,0.075882,-0.1492827,0.0520427,0.015181,-0.041341,-0.0103193,0.0043867,0.010461,-0.010499,-0.010266,-0.0144523,-0.0019483,0.0019823,-0.0089913,0.0010403,-0.0009723,-0.0083013,0.003336,0.009176,0.006795,-0.015223,0.0023903,-0.0066143,-0.001687,-0.001916

Хвала Никац,

Target: K36Alia
Distance: 1.2013% / 0.01201272
29.0   RUS_MA_Baltic
24.4   RUS_Alan_MA
17.4   RUS_MA_viking_Scandinavian
13.2   BEL_MA
6.2           UKR_MA_Viking
5.4           RUS_Saltovo-Mayaki_low_res
4.4       UKR_MA

Distance to:   K36Alia
0.04223270   RUS_MA_south
0.04340379   UKR_MA
0.04550582   RUS_MA_mixedSlavViking
0.04651822   RUS_MA_Slavic
0.05251189   RUS_earlyModern
0.05439192   BEL_MA:BEL024
0.05533267   RUS_MA_viking_Scandinavian
0.06248020   RUS_MA_viking_WestEuro
0.06456799   UKR_MA_Viking
0.06505033   RUS_MA_Baltic
0.08974391   RUS_MA_mixedSlavFinnic
0.11237967   RUS_Alan_MA
0.11535012   UKR_Crimea_Greek
0.12386292   Rus_IA_FinnoUgric
0.14232034   RUS_Saltovo-Mayaki_low_res
0.22772966   RUS_Nomad_MA
0.28815419   RUS_MA_TurkicNomad

[Gorance]

Хвала Никац,

Target: K36Alia
Distance: 1.2013% / 0.01201272
29.0   RUS_MA_Baltic
24.4   RUS_Alan_MA
17.4   RUS_MA_viking_Scandinavian
13.2   BEL_MA
6.2           UKR_MA_Viking
5.4           RUS_Saltovo-Mayaki_low_res
4.4       UKR_MA

Distance to:   K36Alia
0.04223270   RUS_MA_south
0.04340379   UKR_MA
0.04550582   RUS_MA_mixedSlavViking
0.04651822   RUS_MA_Slavic
0.05251189   RUS_earlyModern
0.05439192   BEL_MA:BEL024
0.05533267   RUS_MA_viking_Scandinavian
0.06248020   RUS_MA_viking_WestEuro
0.06456799   UKR_MA_Viking
0.06505033   RUS_MA_Baltic
0.08974391   RUS_MA_mixedSlavFinnic
0.11237967   RUS_Alan_MA
0.11535012   UKR_Crimea_Greek
0.12386292   Rus_IA_FinnoUgric
0.14232034   RUS_Saltovo-Mayaki_low_res
0.22772966   RUS_Nomad_MA
0.28815419   RUS_MA_TurkicNomad

Хвала не постоји у српско-словенском Извини, морао сам!

[сɣнце]

Хвала не постоји у српско-словенском Извини, морао сам!

Не контам ти штос ал ајде нек ти је халал

[Никац]

Ево једноставног модела за балканске нације с прикладним узорцима и малим дистанцама.

прво модел који даје мале дистанце за већину Балканаца:


DEU_MA_Krakauer_Berg - раносредњовјековни Словени из источне Њемачке, истичу се као добар примјер неизмјешаних протословена. И западни и источни Словени се такође могу моделовати с њима.

TUR_Marmara_Iznik_Y.kapi_Byz - рановизантијски Грци из близине Истанбула.
могу се моделовати као мјешавина Микењана/јужних Трачана и узорака из источне Анатолије или Јерменије, као нпр. ови Урарту.
0.011 TUR_Marmara_Iznik_Y.kapi_Byz = 51% BGR_KapitanAndreevo_IA + 49% TUR_E_Van_Urartian

HRV_EMA_Byzantine - византијска Далмација, узорци углавном из 5. вијека, таман пред долазак Словена
може се моделовати као Илири са снажним утицајима с југа Балкана и из источне Анатолије.
Target: HRV_EMA_Byzantine
Distance: 1.1621% / 0.01162069
52.0   HRV_IA
25.8   TUR_E_Van_Urartian
22.2   BGR_KapitanAndreevo_IA

Из овог шаблона испадају:

Албанци: код њих је тешко добити добру дистанцу. Помажу раноримски узорци из Србије (Мези). То се поклапа с њиховом Y-ДНК (доминација старобалканских хаплогрупа)
Target: Albanian
Distance: 1.2299% / 0.01229889
47.6   SRB_Roman
31.2   TUR_Marmara_Iznik_Y.kapi_Byz
21.2   DEU_MA_Krakauer_Berg

Словенци и кајкавски Хрвати:
Target: CroatianKajkavian
Distance: 0.7339% / 0.00733927
63.6   DEU_MA_Krakauer_Berg
36.4   SVN_Emona

Target: Slovenian
Distance: 0.9017% / 0.00901725
60.4   DEU_MA_Krakauer_Berg
39.6   SVN_Emona

код њих је изузетно добра дистанца ако користимо касноримске узорке с налазишта Емона у Словенији.
Емона се може моделовати овако:

Target: SVN_Emona
Distance: 1.1063% / 0.01106256 | R4P
56.4   HUN_IA_La_Tene
34.0   GRC_Marathon_Rom
9.6   SWE_IA

HUN_IA_La_Tene - Панонски Келти
GRC_Marathon_Rom - Грци из римског периода. такође 50/50 микс Микењана и неких блискоисточних утицаја.
SWE_IA - протогермани

[Imoćanin]

Je li možeš postaviti koordinate ovdje za ove "source"-populacije?

[Никац]

Je li možeš postaviti koordinate ovdje za ove "source"-populacije?

Код: [Изабери]

DEU_MA_Krakauer_Berg,0.1292408,0.1278645,0.0744299,0.0667435,0.0442321,0.0231226,0.0087166,0.012545,-0.0003718,-0.0232598,-0.00248,-0.0092645,0.0149742,0.0188792,-0.0083037,0.0013741,0.0066141,-0.0015894,0.0034395,0.003297,-0.0047075,-0.0031365,0.0046274,-0.0053785,0.0002395
HRV_EMA_Byzantine,0.1154355,0.1479288,0.0068825,-0.0278049,0.0215679,-0.012643,0.0006267,0.0002501,0.0032212,0.0207293,-0.0007172,0.0055577,-0.0124378,-0.0015941,-0.0089237,0.0011823,0.0068452,-0.0021643,0.0030065,-0.0046376,-0.0064781,0.0000824,-0.0012325,0.0013958,-0.0000998
TUR_Marmara_Iznik_Y.kapi_Byz,0.1094976,0.1490798,-0.0235326,-0.0587214,0.0054164,-0.0253232,0.000517,-0.0043384,-0.004786,0.0215038,-9.74e-05,0.003117,-0.0048462,0.0014862,-0.0170464,-0.0010872,0.0056584,0.0004306,0.0076426,-0.0054026,-0.005091,0.0020032,-0.0011092,0.002434,-0.0017002
SVN_Emona,0.1203271,0.1434799,0.0241896,-0.0083057,0.0242681,-0.002789,0.0028536,0.0021757,0.0037984,0.0175467,0.0032244,0.005909,-0.0089834,-0.0003146,-0.003044,0.0016857,0.0073573,-0.0006153,0.0018136,0.002019,-0.0006773,0.0013424,0.0024473,0.0036493,-0.0043279
SRB_Roman,0.1211078,0.155376,0.0164426,-0.0259046,0.0304054,-0.009092,0.001081,0.0053538,0.0071176,0.03098,0.0044492,0.0086626,-0.0125172,0.0001374,-0.0160422,-0.0058868,0.0051632,0.0007094,0.0080446,-0.0070784,-0.0091838,0.0022752,-0.0025636,0.0042174,-0.0028738

[Небојша]

Ево Никац, ако можеш да растумачиш. Илира ниђе, али зато повишена SVN_Emona.

[Никац]

Ево Никац, ако можеш да растумачиш. Илира ниђе, али зато повишена SVN_Emona.

Да ли си ове координате симулирао с конвертером који је Душан подијелио на овој теми (чини се да је тај најбољи)?
Ти и иначе добиваш неки германску компненту на сваком калкулатору, Емона има германске примјесе у себи, па је сигурно због тога

[Imoćanin]

Hvala, Nikac.

Htio sam da usporedim da li postoji razlika ako za ranog Slavena izmijenim Krakauer za AV2. Zanimljivo mi je da sa Krakauer kod mene samo uzima HRV_EMA.


Target: Imota_scaled
Distance: 1.6007% / 0.01600709
63.2   DEU_MA_Krakauer_Berg
36.8   HRV_EMA_Byzantine

A sa AV2 stvari izgledaju već malo drugačije:


Target: Imota_scaled
Distance: 2.0235% / 0.02023492
62.2   HUN_Avar_Szolad
23.2   HRV_EMA_Byzantine
8.8   TUR_Marmara_Iznik_Y.kapi_Byz
5.8   SVN_Emona

Slovenski dio ostaje isti, ali sa AV2 traži još dodatno nešto sjevernije (SVN_Emona) i nešto istočnije (TUR_Marmara).

[Никац]

ово су моји резултати

Target: nikac_scaled
Distance: 2.0213% / 0.02021285
54.0   DEU_MA_Krakauer_Berg
36.8   SRB_Roman
9.2   TUR_Marmara_Iznik_Y.kapi_Byz

[Harakiri]

evo mojih

[Небојша]

Да ли си ове координате симулирао с конвертером који је Душан подијелио на овој теми (чини се да је тај најбољи)?

Ако мислиш на овај конвертер, да.
https://www.exploreyourdna.com/simulated-g25.aspx

Ти и иначе добиваш неки германску компненту на сваком калкулатору, Емона има германске примјесе у себи, па је сигурно због тога

Рецимо да је то делимичмно тачно. Заправо на већини калкулатора упадам у неки српски просек. А неретко и са благо повишеном медитеранском компонентном. Види се вероватно германски уплаив овде и на још неким калкулаторима старе днк. Опет ми није логично да имам мање "тзв" илирске компоненте овде него Македонци и Бугари. Појела је све SVN_Emona
 

[Никац]

Hvala, Nikac.

Htio sam da usporedim da li postoji razlika ako za ranog Slavena izmijenim Krakauer za AV2. Zanimljivo mi je da sa Krakauer kod mene samo uzima HRV_EMA.


Target: Imota_scaled
Distance: 1.6007% / 0.01600709
63.2   DEU_MA_Krakauer_Berg
36.8   HRV_EMA_Byzantine

A sa AV2 stvari izgledaju već malo drugačije:


Target: Imota_scaled
Distance: 2.0235% / 0.02023492
62.2   HUN_Avar_Szolad
23.2   HRV_EMA_Byzantine
8.8   TUR_Marmara_Iznik_Y.kapi_Byz
5.8   SVN_Emona

Slovenski dio ostaje isti, ali sa AV2 traži još dodatno nešto sjevernije (SVN_Emona) i nešto istočnije (TUR_Marmara).

Мислим да је Krakauer само стабилнији јер се ради о десетак узорака, а AV2 је само један. Иначе су доста слични, AV2 је вјероватно исто неизмјешани миграторни Словен, док је њезина кћерка АV1 на пола локални Панонац.

[Imoćanin]

Ако мислиш на овај конвертер, да.
https://www.exploreyourdna.com/simulated-g25.aspx

Рецимо да је то делимичмно тачно. Заправо на већини калкулатора упадам у неки српски просек. А неретко и са благо повишеном медитеранском компонентном. Види се вероватно германски уплаив овде и на још неким калкулаторима старе днк. Опет ми није логично да имам мање "тзв" илирске компоненте овде него Македонци и Бугари. Појела је све

Ovi simulirani često nadodaju neki nepostojeći germanski upliv. Usporedi moje originalne i simulirane:

Original


Target: Imota_scaled
Distance: 2.0235% / 0.02023492
62.2   HUN_Avar_Szolad
23.2   HRV_EMA_Byzantine
8.8   TUR_Marmara_Iznik_Y.kapi_Byz
5.8   SVN_Emona

Simulacija:


Target: sample_simulated_g25_scaled
Distance: 1.5469% / 0.01546897
60.2   HUN_Avar_Szolad
26.8   SVN_Emona
11.8   TUR_Marmara_Iznik_Y.kapi_Byz
1.2   HRV_EMA_Byzantine

[Imoćanin]

Мислим да је Krakauer само стабилнији јер се ради о десетак узорака, а AV2 је само један. Иначе су доста слични, AV2 је вјероватно исто неизмјешани миграторни Словен, док је њезина кћерка АV1 на пола локални Панонац.

Da, ali zavisa šta podrazumjevaš pod "Panonac". Meni izgleda da je otac AV1 bio iz mješanog braka Slav/Norikum:

Target: HUN_Avar_Szolad:Av1 (kćer)
Distance: 1.6198% / 0.01619820
76.4   DEU_MA_Krakauer_Berg
21.6   SVN_Emona
2.0   SRB_Roman

Target: HUN_Avar_Szolad:Av2 (majka)
Distance: 2.7997% / 0.02799750
99.8   DEU_MA_Krakauer_Berg
0.2   SRB_Roman

[Никац]

Da, ali zavisa šta podrazumjevaš pod "Panonac". Meni izgleda da je otac AV1 bio iz mješanog braka Slav/Norikum:

Target: HUN_Avar_Szolad:Av1 (kćer)
Distance: 1.6198% / 0.01619820
76.4   DEU_MA_Krakauer_Berg
21.6   SVN_Emona
2.0   SRB_Roman

Target: HUN_Avar_Szolad:Av2 (majka)
Distance: 2.7997% / 0.02799750
99.8   DEU_MA_Krakauer_Berg
0.2   SRB_Roman

Нисам сад за компјутером, али колико се сјећам може се моделирати 50/50 са Szolad Langobard просјеком и неким од панонских Сармата (transtisza ili Danube-Tisza)

[Imoćanin]

Нисам сад за компјутером, али колико се сјећам може се моделирати 50/50 са Szolad Langobard просјеком и неким од панонских Сармата (transtisza ili Danube-Tisza)

Možda, ali bi me baš iznenadilo. Pošto znamo da je AV2 majka ovo je šta ostaje za tog dida ili babu sa očeve strane:

Target: HUN_Avar_Szolad:Av1
Distance: 1.5110% / 0.01510967
73.6   HUN_Avar_Szolad
26.4   SVN_Emona

[Никац]

Možda, ali bi me baš iznenadilo. Pošto znamo da je AV2 majka ovo je šta ostaje za tog dida ili babu sa očeve strane:

Target: HUN_Avar_Szolad:Av1
Distance: 1.5110% / 0.01510967
73.6   HUN_Avar_Szolad
26.4   SVN_Emona

Мислио сам овако нешто.

0.015 HUN_Avar_Szolad:Av1 = 64% HUN_Avar_Szolad:Av2 + 36% HUN_Sarmatian_Late_Transtisza
0.015 HUN_Avar_Szolad:Av1 = 62% HUN_Avar_Szolad:Av2 + 38% HUN_MA_Szolad(Langobard)

Сад видим да и у овим моделима доста вуче на страну АV2. Можда је онда ипак АV1 само 1/4 локалац.

ово је иначе алат за 1+1 моделе
https://output.jsbin.com/gojecoh

[Imoćanin]

Мислио сам овако нешто.

0.015 HUN_Avar_Szolad:Av1 = 64% HUN_Avar_Szolad:Av2 + 36% HUN_Sarmatian_Late_Transtisza
0.015 HUN_Avar_Szolad:Av1 = 62% HUN_Avar_Szolad:Av2 + 38% HUN_MA_Szolad(Langobard)

Сад видим да и у овим моделима доста вуче на страну АV2. Можда је онда ипак АV1 само 1/4 локалац.

ово је иначе алат за 1+1 моделе
https://output.jsbin.com/gojecoh

Da, previše ostaje AV2 da otac nebi imao jakog slavenskog upliva. Pored toga mislim da AV1 nema nimalo azijatskog upliva.

Možemo se i malo poigrati sa koordinatima i pretpostaviti da je kćer (AV1) točno presijek majke i oca. Pa sa formulom otac=kći-(majka-kći) dobijemo za njega ove koordinate:

HUN_Avar_Szolad:Av1otac,0.126345,0.139128,0.040728,0.03553,0.036006,0.012829,0.006815,0.008077,-0.004295,-0.004738,-0.002111,-0.008543,-0.001636,0.006469,-0.002172,-0.000132,-0.007041,0.001521,-0.001006,0.007253,-0.001872,-0.008284,0.004683,0.000361999999999999,-0.003953

To bi izgledalo ovako:


Target: HUN_Avar_Szolad:Av1otac
Distance: 0.5414% / 0.00541365 | R5P
41.8   ITA_Chiusi_EMA
21.6   SWE_Gotland_VA
15.0   Baltic_EST_BA
13.8   SWE_LN_low_res
7.8   Bell_Beaker_England_low_res

A sa tvojim modelom:

Target: HUN_Avar_Szolad:Av1otac
Distance: 2.3938% / 0.02393780
52.8   DEU_MA_Krakauer_Berg
44.8   SVN_Emona
2.4   TUR_Marmara_Iznik_Y.kapi_Byz

Nešto slično sa K36 koordinatima je napravio Lukasz na Anthrogenici:

https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?15081-6th-c-Slavic-women-(Av1-Av2)-buried-according-to-the-custom-of-the-Avars&p=469255&viewfull=1#post469255

[Malisori]

Мој резултат

[Душан]

Код: [Изабери]

DEU_MA_Krakauer_Berg,0.1292408,0.1278645,0.0744299,0.0667435,0.0442321,0.0231226,0.0087166,0.012545,-0.0003718,-0.0232598,-0.00248,-0.0092645,0.0149742,0.0188792,-0.0083037,0.0013741,0.0066141,-0.0015894,0.0034395,0.003297,-0.0047075,-0.0031365,0.0046274,-0.0053785,0.0002395
HRV_EMA_Byzantine,0.1154355,0.1479288,0.0068825,-0.0278049,0.0215679,-0.012643,0.0006267,0.0002501,0.0032212,0.0207293,-0.0007172,0.0055577,-0.0124378,-0.0015941,-0.0089237,0.0011823,0.0068452,-0.0021643,0.0030065,-0.0046376,-0.0064781,0.0000824,-0.0012325,0.0013958,-0.0000998
TUR_Marmara_Iznik_Y.kapi_Byz,0.1094976,0.1490798,-0.0235326,-0.0587214,0.0054164,-0.0253232,0.000517,-0.0043384,-0.004786,0.0215038,-9.74e-05,0.003117,-0.0048462,0.0014862,-0.0170464,-0.0010872,0.0056584,0.0004306,0.0076426,-0.0054026,-0.005091,0.0020032,-0.0011092,0.002434,-0.0017002
SVN_Emona,0.1203271,0.1434799,0.0241896,-0.0083057,0.0242681,-0.002789,0.0028536,0.0021757,0.0037984,0.0175467,0.0032244,0.005909,-0.0089834,-0.0003146,-0.003044,0.0016857,0.0073573,-0.0006153,0.0018136,0.002019,-0.0006773,0.0013424,0.0024473,0.0036493,-0.0043279
SRB_Roman,0.1211078,0.155376,0.0164426,-0.0259046,0.0304054,-0.009092,0.001081,0.0053538,0.0071176,0.03098,0.0044492,0.0086626,-0.0125172,0.0001374,-0.0160422,-0.0058868,0.0051632,0.0007094,0.0080446,-0.0070784,-0.0091838,0.0022752,-0.0025636,0.0042174,-0.0028738

Target: Dušan_g25
Distance: 1.5798% / 0.01579839
61.4   DEU_MA_Krakauer_Berg
24.0   SRB_Roman
14.6   TUR_Marmara_Iznik_Y.kapi_Byz

[Gedzo]

Target: Gedzo
Distance: 2.5386% / 0.02538629
40.0   DEU_MA_Krakauer_Berg
26.8   SRB_Roman
22.2   TUR_Marmara_Iznik_Y.kapi_Byz
11.0   SVN_Emona

[Марић (Мостар)]

Ко поседује G25 координате, срдачно препоручујем Modern Europe (scaled) - Celtibero рачунач за савремено порекло, на сајту dnagenics.com Мени је макар дао најпоузданију процену од свих које сам испробао до сада...

[Никац]

Нови модел. мало је "досадан" али обухвата мање-више све компоненете потребне на ширем балканском подручју.

Код: [Изабери]

Avar_Asian,0.040621,-0.383934,0.090745,-0.021853,-0.080707,-0.046165,0.016444,0.025456,0.010367,0.012130,-0.014564,0.000197,-0.002476,0.002047,0.002786,0.000858,0.001202,-0.003219,0.002479,0.012881,-0.023342,-0.004220,-0.019727,-0.001273,0.000674
Slavic,0.129151,0.127551,0.075424,0.066430,0.043516,0.024617,0.009432,0.012784,0.001145,-0.022573,-0.002728,-0.008443,0.015213,0.021258,-0.009935,-0.000628,0.004233,-0.000743,0.004492,0.002259,-0.003951,-0.002160,0.005760,-0.005888,0.000535
Dalmatia_Byzantine,0.115436,0.147929,0.006883,-0.027805,0.021568,-0.012643,0.000627,0.000250,0.003221,0.020729,-0.000717,0.005558,-0.012438,-0.001594,-0.008924,0.001182,0.006845,-0.002164,0.003007,-0.004638,-0.006478,0.000082,-0.001233,0.001396,-0.000100
Germanic,0.129282,0.132425,0.064700,0.052661,0.040623,0.019254,0.005850,0.007355,0.002183,-0.002581,-0.004786,0.004316,-0.009001,-0.005430,0.017579,0.006374,-0.005635,0.001555,0.004249,0.004079,0.007280,0.003651,-0.000191,0.011837,0.000329
Indus_Medieval,0.051619,-0.045800,-0.133086,0.098855,-0.069721,0.054886,-0.000717,0.009461,0.026741,0.013987,-0.003581,-0.000345,-0.000022,0.000220,-0.001025,-0.000802,-0.000019,0.000405,0.000704,0.000031,0.000512,-0.001793,0.002588,0.002060,-0.002970
Marmara_Byzantine,0.104013,0.148267,-0.025124,-0.061139,0.006404,-0.023825,0.000906,-0.004868,-0.000925,0.019143,0.004423,0.002098,-0.003794,0.003014,-0.013016,-0.008568,-0.000863,0.001520,0.002765,-0.005949,-0.004112,0.001148,-0.001397,-0.001279,-0.000986
Једино још Албанцима и Грцима (и мени) дистанца пада када се укључи и овај узорак:

Код: [Изабери]

Moesian,0.122170,0.161808,0.010434,-0.035099,0.034776,-0.015804,0.000235,0.000154,0.004704,0.035050,0.004384,0.009092,-0.012735,0.000596,-0.022394,-0.004641,0.014777,-0.002576,0.008338,-0.010088,-0.008901,0.005647,-0.004437,0.000723,-0.002634
Па ако неко има дистанцу 2 или више, нека проба укључити и њега.

[Никац]

мој резултат

Target: nikac_scaled
Distance: 1.7346% / 0.01734606
54.6   Slavic
40.0   Moesian
3.8   Marmara_Byzantine
1.6   Avar_Asian

и званичних просјека с еурогенес блога

[Небојша]

Ако изузмемо ових 6.6% Germanic, савршени српски просек. 



Коју опцију користиш Никац код Distance | ADC: (0.25, 0.5, 1X, 2X, или без)?

[Никац]

Ако изузмемо ових 6.6% Germanic, савршени српски просек. 



Коју опцију користиш Никац код Distance | ADC: (0.25, 0.5, 1X, 2X, или без)?

ове калкулације које сам поставио су све без ADC.

[Небојша]

ове калкулације које сам поставио су све без ADC.

Такође.

[Ивица Јовановић]

Distance to:   IvicaJovan_scaled
0.06106171   Dalmatia_Byzantine
0.07525434   Germanic
0.08450851   Slavic
0.10669474   Marmara_Byzantine
0.30425704   Indus_Medieval
0.55258648   Avar_Asian

Target: IvicaJovan_scaled
Distance: 1.8087% / 0.01808728
51.6   Dalmatia_Byzantine
43.0   Slavic
5.4   Marmara_Byzantine

[Gedzo]

Target: Gedzo
Distance: 2.6902% / 0.02690245
63.0   Dalmatia_Byzantine
36.2   Slavic
0.8   Avar_Asian

[Никац]

Target: Gedzo
Distance: 2.6902% / 0.02690245
63.0   Dalmatia_Byzantine
36.2   Slavic
0.8   Avar_Asian

можеш прoбати и с Moesian у моделу?

[Никац]

Ово је модел за старије раздобље, прије етногенезе Словена и ширења Хеленистичког и Римског царства. northwest-Europe су Келти из Чешке, у овом моделу покривају германску, али и илирску и келтску примјесу.

Код: [Изабери]

proto-balto-slavic:Baltic_LTU_Marvele,0.134596,0.125672,0.0974855,0.0980308,0.051702,0.0410668,0.0148058,0.0170762,0.0009202,-0.04278,-0.0069012,-0.0167853,0.0307358,0.0372612,-0.010145,-0.0023868,-0.0002933,-0.0015205,0.0020425,0.006378,-0.0041178,-0.0037715,0.0086888,-0.0176527,-0.0012572
Iranic_Steppe:RUS_Caspian_steppe_Sarmatian,0.1115467,0.0473917,0.0349467,0.065246,-0.0283642,0.0267272,3.92e-05,0.001,-0.0299627,-0.036599,-0.0038432,-0.003072,-0.003419,-0.025162,0.0197472,0.0128393,-0.0027163,-0.0023648,-0.0046928,0.001709,-0.0106478,0.0048843,0.0001437,0.0066473,0.0030537
West_Anatolia_antiquity:TUR_C_Gordion_Anc,0.1109775,0.1514833,-0.0344437,-0.0711138,-0.0047702,-0.0250535,0.004426,-0.007961,-0.0119645,0.0206835,0.0030582,0.0052955,-0.0097622,-0.0009175,-0.0138435,-0.0062538,0.0081492,0.0002957,0.0050697,-0.0037518,-0.0063015,0.0031533,-4.1e-05,0.0019278,0.0011177
EastAsian_Steppe:Avar_Asian,0.040621,-0.383934,0.090745,-0.021853,-0.080707,-0.046165,0.016444,0.025456,0.010367,0.012130,-0.014564,0.000197,-0.002476,0.002047,0.002786,0.000858,0.001202,-0.003219,0.002479,0.012881,-0.023342,-0.004220,-0.019727,-0.001273,0.000674
northwest-Europe:CZE_IA_La_Tene,0.1284778,0.1377312,0.0579352,0.0361356,0.0412615,0.0101586,0.0027613,0.0036806,0.0074396,0.01031,-0.0033128,0.0050467,-0.01235,-0.0093514,0.008815,0.0062748,-0.0002836,0.0016817,0.0011124,0.0031359,0.0036311,0.0030264,-0.0021814,0.0015634,-0.0011615
Uralic:RUS_Krasnoyarsk_BA,0.037562,-0.424491,0.154997,0.001938,-0.14495,-0.085341,0.019506,0.031845,0.028633,0.005832,0.086878,-0.00015,0.011298,-0.04803,-0.045466,-0.027711,0.000261,0.006714,0.004148,-0.009379,0.026204,0.001607,0.002218,0.004338,0.008502
south-Thracian:BGR_KapitanAndreevo_IA,0.1206523,0.1614692,0.0083593,-0.0527028,0.0323137,-0.0258903,0.001645,-0.0029232,0.012033,0.0480497,0.0018675,0.0096915,-0.0182605,0.0016517,-0.023525,-0.0100547,0.011213,0.0040962,0.0112082,-0.0087542,-0.010024,0.0014218,-0.0033688,0.001044,-0.0068658
Target: nikac_scaled
Distance: 1.6922% / 0.01692195
42.2   proto-balto-slavic
38.6   south-Thracian
9.2   West_Anatolia
8.2   northwest-Europe
1.8   EastAsian_Steppe

[Душан]

Target: Dušan_g25
Distance: 1.6640% / 0.01664050
59.4   Slavic
33.4   Dalmatia_Byzantine
6.4   Marmara_Byzantine
0.8   Avar_Asian


Target: Dušan_g25
Distance: 1.2887% / 0.01288694
60.6   Slavic
30.2   Moesian
7.6   Marmara_Byzantine
1.6   Avar_Asian

[Gedzo]

можеш прoбати и с Moesian у моделу?

Target: Gedzo
Distance: 2.5201% / 0.02520142
36.4   Slavic
32.6   Moesian
30.4   Dalmatia_Byzantine
0.6   Avar_Asian

[Gedzo]

Target: Gedzo
Distance: 2.2976% / 0.02297570
48.8   south-Thracian
29.0   proto-balto-slavic
13.4   West_Anatolia_antiquity
8.8   Iranic_Steppe

[Harakiri]

Distance: 2.5411% / 0.02541102
58.2   Dalmatia_Byzantine
41.8   Slavic

Prosecno za Crnogorca?


Distance: 2.6705% / 0.02670471
32.2   proto-balto-slavic
25.8   West_Anatolia_antiquity
21.0   northwest-Europe
21.0   south-Thracian

[Никац]

Distance: 2.5411% / 0.02541102
58.2   Dalmatia_Byzantine
41.8   Slavic

Prosecno za Crnogorca?


Distance: 2.6705% / 0.02670471
32.2   proto-balto-slavic
25.8   West_Anatolia_antiquity
21.0   northwest-Europe
21.0   south-Thracian

рекао бих да јесте

[Душан]

Код: [Изабери]

DEU_MA_Krakauer_Berg,0.1292408,0.1278645,0.0744299,0.0667435,0.0442321,0.0231226,0.0087166,0.012545,-0.0003718,-0.0232598,-0.00248,-0.0092645,0.0149742,0.0188792,-0.0083037,0.0013741,0.0066141,-0.0015894,0.0034395,0.003297,-0.0047075,-0.0031365,0.0046274,-0.0053785,0.0002395
HRV_EMA_Byzantine,0.1154355,0.1479288,0.0068825,-0.0278049,0.0215679,-0.012643,0.0006267,0.0002501,0.0032212,0.0207293,-0.0007172,0.0055577,-0.0124378,-0.0015941,-0.0089237,0.0011823,0.0068452,-0.0021643,0.0030065,-0.0046376,-0.0064781,0.0000824,-0.0012325,0.0013958,-0.0000998
TUR_Marmara_Iznik_Y.kapi_Byz,0.1094976,0.1490798,-0.0235326,-0.0587214,0.0054164,-0.0253232,0.000517,-0.0043384,-0.004786,0.0215038,-9.74e-05,0.003117,-0.0048462,0.0014862,-0.0170464,-0.0010872,0.0056584,0.0004306,0.0076426,-0.0054026,-0.005091,0.0020032,-0.0011092,0.002434,-0.0017002
SVN_Emona,0.1203271,0.1434799,0.0241896,-0.0083057,0.0242681,-0.002789,0.0028536,0.0021757,0.0037984,0.0175467,0.0032244,0.005909,-0.0089834,-0.0003146,-0.003044,0.0016857,0.0073573,-0.0006153,0.0018136,0.002019,-0.0006773,0.0013424,0.0024473,0.0036493,-0.0043279
SRB_Roman,0.1211078,0.155376,0.0164426,-0.0259046,0.0304054,-0.009092,0.001081,0.0053538,0.0071176,0.03098,0.0044492,0.0086626,-0.0125172,0.0001374,-0.0160422,-0.0058868,0.0051632,0.0007094,0.0080446,-0.0070784,-0.0091838,0.0022752,-0.0025636,0.0042174,-0.0028738

Са правим координатама 

Target: Dušan_scaled
Distance: 2.7502% / 0.02750189
56.8   DEU_MA_Krakauer_Berg
35.0   SRB_Roman
8.2   TUR_Marmara_Iznik_Y.kapi_Byz

[Душан]

Нови модел. мало је "досадан" али обухвата мање-више све компоненете потребне на ширем балканском подручју.

Код: [Изабери]

Avar_Asian,0.040621,-0.383934,0.090745,-0.021853,-0.080707,-0.046165,0.016444,0.025456,0.010367,0.012130,-0.014564,0.000197,-0.002476,0.002047,0.002786,0.000858,0.001202,-0.003219,0.002479,0.012881,-0.023342,-0.004220,-0.019727,-0.001273,0.000674
Slavic,0.129151,0.127551,0.075424,0.066430,0.043516,0.024617,0.009432,0.012784,0.001145,-0.022573,-0.002728,-0.008443,0.015213,0.021258,-0.009935,-0.000628,0.004233,-0.000743,0.004492,0.002259,-0.003951,-0.002160,0.005760,-0.005888,0.000535
Dalmatia_Byzantine,0.115436,0.147929,0.006883,-0.027805,0.021568,-0.012643,0.000627,0.000250,0.003221,0.020729,-0.000717,0.005558,-0.012438,-0.001594,-0.008924,0.001182,0.006845,-0.002164,0.003007,-0.004638,-0.006478,0.000082,-0.001233,0.001396,-0.000100
Germanic,0.129282,0.132425,0.064700,0.052661,0.040623,0.019254,0.005850,0.007355,0.002183,-0.002581,-0.004786,0.004316,-0.009001,-0.005430,0.017579,0.006374,-0.005635,0.001555,0.004249,0.004079,0.007280,0.003651,-0.000191,0.011837,0.000329
Indus_Medieval,0.051619,-0.045800,-0.133086,0.098855,-0.069721,0.054886,-0.000717,0.009461,0.026741,0.013987,-0.003581,-0.000345,-0.000022,0.000220,-0.001025,-0.000802,-0.000019,0.000405,0.000704,0.000031,0.000512,-0.001793,0.002588,0.002060,-0.002970
Marmara_Byzantine,0.104013,0.148267,-0.025124,-0.061139,0.006404,-0.023825,0.000906,-0.004868,-0.000925,0.019143,0.004423,0.002098,-0.003794,0.003014,-0.013016,-0.008568,-0.000863,0.001520,0.002765,-0.005949,-0.004112,0.001148,-0.001397,-0.001279,-0.000986
Једино још Албанцима и Грцима (и мени) дистанца пада када се укључи и овај узорак:

Код: [Изабери]

Moesian,0.122170,0.161808,0.010434,-0.035099,0.034776,-0.015804,0.000235,0.000154,0.004704,0.035050,0.004384,0.009092,-0.012735,0.000596,-0.022394,-0.004641,0.014777,-0.002576,0.008338,-0.010088,-0.008901,0.005647,-0.004437,0.000723,-0.002634
Па ако неко има дистанцу 2 или више, нека проба укључити и њега.

Target: Dušan_scaled
Distance: 2.4940% / 0.02494041
60.6   Slavic
25.2   Moesian
13.4   Marmara_Byzantine
0.8   Avar_Asian

[kocovic]

Мој резултат:

Distance to:   kocovic_scaled
0.02269092   SVN_Emona
0.02411145   HUN_Avar_RomanThracian
0.02734474   HRV_North_Roman
0.03305998   HUN_MA_Szolad_Local
0.03617911   HRV_LateAntiquity
0.03660721   SRB_Roman
0.03774347   HRV_Roman
0.04850625   MNE_Roman
0.05415152   HUN_Avar_Gepidian
0.08123806   TUR_Marmara_Ilipinar_Byz3(Sloven_Anadolija)
0.08596220   HRV_Roman_MiddleEast
0.09252482   GRC_Marathon_Rom
0.09374356   BGR_RomByz(Thracian)
0.09754003   HUN_Avar_Szolad(Sloven_Panonija)
0.10093372   SRB_Roman_MiddleEast
0.11803590   SVN_Germanic:R10474
0.13144481   HRV_EMA_Avar_Asian
0.32751381   IND_Roopkund_A
0.34187972   ROU_Ploiesti_MA


Target: kocovic_scaled
Distance: 0.9845% / 0.00984519
47.4   SRB_Roman
16.2   HUN_Avar_Szolad(Sloven_Panonija)
15.0   TUR_Marmara_Ilipinar_Byz3(Sloven_Anadolija)
12.6   SRB_Roman_MiddleEast
5.0   HUN_Avar_RomanThracian
2.8   GRC_Marathon_Rom
1.0   ROU_Ploiesti_MA


Други калкулатор:

Distance to:   kocovic_scaled
0.02418043   SVN_Emona
0.03554232   SRB_Roman
0.03617911   HRV_EMA_Byzantine
0.07900368   TUR_Marmara_Iznik_Y.kapi_Byz
0.10850630   DEU_MA_Krakauer_Berg

Target: kocovic_scaled
Distance: 0.9763% / 0.00976318
42.8   SRB_Roman
29.8   DEU_MA_Krakauer_Berg
27.4   TUR_Marmara_Iznik_Y.kapi_Byz

[ak]

credits @Ивица Јовановић

[НикПав]

Код: [Изабери]

Rimljani_Bliski_Istok:Balkan_Imperial_Roman,0.102213,0.1450176,-0.0333374,-0.060401,-0.0040622,-0.021586,-0.0031962,-0.0053998,-0.0075266,0.01549,0.00328,0.0037168,0.0027354,-0.0021194,-0.0099616,-0.000371,0.0102222,-0.000684,0.0053798,-0.004227,-0.006813,0.0010634,-0.0033276,-0.0007712,-0.000551
Iliri:HRV_IA,0.1236404,0.1502982,0.0387492,0.0012112,0.0370838,-0.0017779,0.0004994,0.001298,0.012885,0.0267432,-0.0022126,0.0079805,-0.0120787,-0.0053156,-0.0038511,-0.000232,0.001695,0.0025813,0.0030796,-0.0008911,-0.0022305,0.0031379,-0.0035125,-0.0016719,-0.0013321
Tračani:BGR_KapitanAndreevo_IA,0.1206523,0.1614692,0.0083593,-0.0527028,0.0323137,-0.0258903,0.001645,-0.0029232,0.012033,0.0480497,0.0018675,0.0096915,-0.0182605,0.0016517,-0.023525,-0.0100547,0.011213,0.0040962,0.0112082,-0.0087542,-0.010024,0.0014218,-0.0033688,0.001044,-0.0068658
Sarmati:RUS_Caspian_steppe_Sarmatian,0.1115467,0.0473917,0.0349467,0.065246,-0.0283642,0.0267272,3.92e-05,0.001,-0.0299627,-0.036599,-0.0038432,-0.003072,-0.003419,-0.025162,0.0197472,0.0128393,-0.0027163,-0.0023648,-0.0046928,0.001709,-0.0106478,0.0048843,0.0001437,0.0066473,0.0030537
Zapadna/sjeverna_Evropa:CZE_IA_La_Tene,0.1284778,0.1377312,0.0579352,0.0361356,0.0412615,0.0101586,0.0027613,0.0036806,0.0074396,0.01031,-0.0033128,0.0050467,-0.01235,-0.0093514,0.008815,0.0062748,-0.0002836,0.0016817,0.0011124,0.0031359,0.0036311,0.0030264,-0.0021814,0.0015634,-0.0011615
Sloveni:DEU_MA_Krakauer_Berg,0.1292408,0.1278645,0.0744299,0.0667435,0.0442321,0.0231226,0.0087166,0.012545,-0.0003718,-0.0232598,-0.00248,-0.0092645,0.0149742,0.0188792,-0.0083037,0.0013741,0.0066141,-0.0015894,0.0034395,0.003297,-0.0047075,-0.0031365,0.0046274,-0.0053785,0.0002395


Мој резултат, али је дистанца нешто већа

Target: Nikola_scaled
Distance: 3.0939% / 0.03093916
54.2   Sloveni
36.2   Tračani
9.6   Rimljani_Bliski_Istok

[Небојша]

Моји рез. према моделу који је поставио Никац








Занима ме да ли ће се још некоме одавде појавити овај проценат "западна/северна Европа".

[Душан]

Код: [Изабери]

Rimljani_Bliski_Istok:Balkan_Imperial_Roman,0.102213,0.1450176,-0.0333374,-0.060401,-0.0040622,-0.021586,-0.0031962,-0.0053998,-0.0075266,0.01549,0.00328,0.0037168,0.0027354,-0.0021194,-0.0099616,-0.000371,0.0102222,-0.000684,0.0053798,-0.004227,-0.006813,0.0010634,-0.0033276,-0.0007712,-0.000551
Iliri:HRV_IA,0.1236404,0.1502982,0.0387492,0.0012112,0.0370838,-0.0017779,0.0004994,0.001298,0.012885,0.0267432,-0.0022126,0.0079805,-0.0120787,-0.0053156,-0.0038511,-0.000232,0.001695,0.0025813,0.0030796,-0.0008911,-0.0022305,0.0031379,-0.0035125,-0.0016719,-0.0013321
Tračani:BGR_KapitanAndreevo_IA,0.1206523,0.1614692,0.0083593,-0.0527028,0.0323137,-0.0258903,0.001645,-0.0029232,0.012033,0.0480497,0.0018675,0.0096915,-0.0182605,0.0016517,-0.023525,-0.0100547,0.011213,0.0040962,0.0112082,-0.0087542,-0.010024,0.0014218,-0.0033688,0.001044,-0.0068658
Sarmati:RUS_Caspian_steppe_Sarmatian,0.1115467,0.0473917,0.0349467,0.065246,-0.0283642,0.0267272,3.92e-05,0.001,-0.0299627,-0.036599,-0.0038432,-0.003072,-0.003419,-0.025162,0.0197472,0.0128393,-0.0027163,-0.0023648,-0.0046928,0.001709,-0.0106478,0.0048843,0.0001437,0.0066473,0.0030537
Zapadna/sjeverna_Evropa:CZE_IA_La_Tene,0.1284778,0.1377312,0.0579352,0.0361356,0.0412615,0.0101586,0.0027613,0.0036806,0.0074396,0.01031,-0.0033128,0.0050467,-0.01235,-0.0093514,0.008815,0.0062748,-0.0002836,0.0016817,0.0011124,0.0031359,0.0036311,0.0030264,-0.0021814,0.0015634,-0.0011615
Sloveni:DEU_MA_Krakauer_Berg,0.1292408,0.1278645,0.0744299,0.0667435,0.0442321,0.0231226,0.0087166,0.012545,-0.0003718,-0.0232598,-0.00248,-0.0092645,0.0149742,0.0188792,-0.0083037,0.0013741,0.0066141,-0.0015894,0.0034395,0.003297,-0.0047075,-0.0031365,0.0046274,-0.0053785,0.0002395


[kocovic]

Покушајте овај модел за бронзано доба:
https://pastebin.com/raw/FqBEDh58

Distance to:   kocovic_scaled
0.03475736   Paeonian:I10385
0.03723160   Paeonian:I10384
0.03835408   Paeonian:I10388
0.04510655   Paeonian:I8112
0.04880905   Paeonian:I10379


Target: kocovic_scaled
Distance: 0.4109% / 0.00410944
26.0   Thracian
21.8   Paeonian
19.6   Baltic_Bronze_Age
10.0   Anatolian
8.4   Phoenician
5.6   Continental_Celt
2.4   Etruscan
2.4   Greek
2.2   Scythian
1.6   Iron_Age_Scandinavian

[НикПав]

Target: Nikola_scaled
Distance: 1.6998% / 0.01699800
44.4   Thracian
37.2   Baltic_Bronze_Age
8.6   Anatolian
6.4   Continental_Celt
2.0   Phoenician
0.8   Paeonian
0.6   Scythian

Target: Nikola_scaled
Distance: 1.8047% / 0.01804743 | ADC: 0.25x RC
40.4   Thracian
36.4   Baltic_Bronze_Age
14.6   Etruscan
8.6   Phoenician

[Небојша]

Покушајте овај модел за бронзано доба:
https://pastebin.com/raw/FqBEDh58

Distance to:   kocovic_scaled
0.03475736   Paeonian:I10385
0.03723160   Paeonian:I10384
0.03835408   Paeonian:I10388
0.04510655   Paeonian:I8112
0.04880905   Paeonian:I10379


Target: kocovic_scaled
Distance: 0.4109% / 0.00410944
26.0   Thracian
21.8   Paeonian
19.6   Baltic_Bronze_Age
10.0   Anatolian
8.4   Phoenician
5.6   Continental_Celt
2.4   Etruscan
2.4   Greek
2.2   Scythian
1.6   Iron_Age_Scandinavian

[Ивица Јовановић]

Target: IvicaJovanovic_scaled
Distance: 0.9119% / 0.00911895
29.0   Baltic_Bronze_Age
23.2   Thracian
16.4   Anatolian
13.8   Paeonian
10.2   Scythian
5.2   Iron_Age_Scandinavian
1.8   Phoenician
0.4   Continental_Celt


Distance to:   IvicaJovanovic_scaled
0.04671969   Paeonian:I10385
0.05105855   Paeonian:I10384
0.05273097   Etruscan:CAM002
0.05720261   Continental_Celt:Hallstatt_I15071
0.05752109   Continental_Celt:Czech_La_Tene_I17314
0.05766401   Paeonian:I10388
0.05770634   Continental_Celt:Czech_La_Tene_I15048
0.05787189   Continental_Celt:Slovakia_LIA_LaTene_I11712
0.05846368   Paeonian:I8112
0.05854285   Continental_Celt:Czech_La_Tene_I15043
0.05999306   Continental_Celt:Slovakia_LIA_LaTene_I11713
0.06052907   Continental_Celt:Hallstatt_I16327
0.06087685   Scythian:Ukraine_scy010_noUDG.SG
0.06126185   Paeonian:I10389
0.06339140   Continental_Celt:Czech_La_Tene_I15951
0.06360343   Continental_Celt:Czech_La_Tene_I14985
0.06367466   Continental_Celt:Gaul_I21931
0.06500527   Paeonian:I10383
0.06526295   Continental_Celt:Slovakia_LIA_LaTene_I11715
0.06575739   Continental_Celt:Hallstatt_I14983
0.06601592   Continental_Celt:Gaul_I21402
0.06604182   Continental_Celt:Czech_La_Tene_I14984
0.06762925   Continental_Celt:Czech_La_Tene_I17143
0.06794845   Etruscan:PRZ002
0.06798003   Paeonian:I10379

Кочо, толико си стари Балканац да је то невероватно. Како ти се поклопило то некако по свим линијама да си на неких 20-24% Slavic, што је мноооого мање од рецимо оног средњевековног узорка из Македоније (Macedonia_Medieval:I2530).

Ово су његови резултати у том калкулатору што си поставио:

Distance to:   Macedonia_Medieval:I2530
0.13889038   Scythian:Ukraine_scy011_noUDG.SG
0.17871034   Continental_Celt:Gaul_I21931
0.18114444   Paeonian:I10385
0.18333772   Etruscan:CAM002
0.18353065   Insular_Celt:England_LIA_I19870
0.18426768   Scythian:Ukraine_scy010_noUDG.SG
0.18579014   Continental_Celt:Hallstatt_I16327
0.18705686   Paeonian:I8112
0.18805512   Anatolian:Hellenistic_I6574
0.18832498   Continental_Celt:Czech_La_Tene_I15048
0.18944752   Continental_Celt:Hallstatt_DA112_noUDG.SG
0.18950441   Paeonian:I10389
0.18984806   Continental_Celt:Gaul_I21402
0.19071255   Paeonian:I10384
0.19072516   Iron_Age_Scandinavian:RISE174_noUDG.SG
0.19203338   Anatolian:Iron_Age_I4029_noUDG
0.19260608   Paeonian:I10388
0.19270498   Continental_Celt:Czech_La_Tene_I14985
0.19291171   Anatolian:Hellenistic_I4472
0.19301627   Continental_Celt:Slovakia_LIA_LaTene_I11715
0.19317028   Continental_Celt:Czech_La_Tene_I17314
0.19336115   Continental_Celt:Hallstatt_I15071
0.19348591   Phoenician:Hellenistic_SFI-20_noUDG.SG
0.19358411   Continental_Celt:Gaul_I20815
0.19479791   Insular_Celt:England_EIA_I11149

Target: Macedonia_Medieval:I2530
Distance: 12.5533% / 0.12553291
74.0   Scythian
26.0   Egyptian

[Душан]

Покушајте овај модел за бронзано доба:
https://pastebin.com/raw/FqBEDh58

Distance to:   kocovic_scaled
0.03475736   Paeonian:I10385
0.03723160   Paeonian:I10384
0.03835408   Paeonian:I10388
0.04510655   Paeonian:I8112
0.04880905   Paeonian:I10379


Target: kocovic_scaled
Distance: 0.4109% / 0.00410944
26.0   Thracian
21.8   Paeonian
19.6   Baltic_Bronze_Age
10.0   Anatolian
8.4   Phoenician
5.6   Continental_Celt
2.4   Etruscan
2.4   Greek
2.2   Scythian
1.6   Iron_Age_Scandinavian

[kocovic]

Кочо, толико си стари Балканац да је то невероватно. Како ти се поклопило то некако по свим линијама да си на неких 20-24% Slavic, што је мноооого мање од рецимо оног средњевековног узорка из Македоније (Macedonia_Medieval:I2530).

Буквално сваки тест који покренем не могу да пробијем баријеру од 40%. Уопште то нисам ово очекивао кад сам урадио ДНК тест. Требало ми је једно месец или два да прихватим да сам само 15-25% Балто-Словен, узевши оно што знам о својим прецима.

[Небојша]

Буквално сваки тест који покренем не могу да пробијем баријеру од 40%. Уопште то нисам ово очекивао кад сам урадио ДНК тест. Требало ми је једно месец или два да прихватим да сам само 15-25% Балто-Словен, узевши оно што знам о својим прецима.

Мислим да то није нешто драматично, узевши у обзир да Македонија ни по Y-ДНК није нека изразито словенска област. У неким крајевима I2 и R1a у комбинацији једва да прелазе 30%.

[сɣнце]

Покушајте овај модел за бронзано доба:
https://pastebin.com/raw/FqBEDh58

Distance to:   kocovic_scaled
0.03475736   Paeonian:I10385
0.03723160   Paeonian:I10384
0.03835408   Paeonian:I10388
0.04510655   Paeonian:I8112
0.04880905   Paeonian:I10379


Target: kocovic_scaled
Distance: 0.4109% / 0.00410944
26.0   Thracian
21.8   Paeonian
19.6   Baltic_Bronze_Age
10.0   Anatolian
8.4   Phoenician
5.6   Continental_Celt
2.4   Etruscan
2.4   Greek
2.2   Scythian
1.6   Iron_Age_Scandinavian

Резултати мене и човјека из Украјине с четвртином лезгинских коријена.

[kocovic]

Резултати мене и човјека из Украјине с четвртином лезгинских коријена.

Украјинац са руским коренима (или белоруским како вам се више свиђа) и даљим црноморским Грчким пореклом:

Target: M_scaled
Distance: 0.9573% / 0.00957258
51.0   Baltic_Bronze_Age
18.4   Continental_Celt
13.0   Scythian
10.4   Paeonian
3.4   Thracian
2.8   Iron_Age_Scandinavian
0.8   Etruscan
0.2   Egyptian