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« Одговор #80 послато: Септембар 02, 2018, 06:23:15 поподне »
Ok, so I guess the gambler in me too will go for ZS10589, hehe. I'll sleep on it tonight and I will order tomorrow ;-) Yes, you are always very helpful and I am grateful for this! :-)

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« Одговор #81 послато: Септембар 03, 2018, 07:42:42 пре подне »
Dobro jutro! So I ordered ZS10589 and now we are waiting... ;)

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« Одговор #82 послато: Септембар 03, 2018, 07:35:01 поподне »
Excellent! Now we are waiting for the result 8)

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« Одговор #83 послато: Септембар 03, 2018, 10:04:11 поподне »
 :D :D

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« Одговор #84 послато: Септембар 06, 2018, 06:01:03 поподне »
With the assistance of Radon, you're surely going to the straight bankruptcy, that's for sure He's paid from DNA's testing companies for this  :P

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« Одговор #85 послато: Септембар 06, 2018, 07:45:14 поподне »
With the assistance of Radon, you're surely going to the straight bankruptcy, that's for sure He's paid from DNA's testing companies for this  :P

Well, I am sorry about the cost of testing, but I hope that something good will come out of it :)

We will see after this ZS10589 where we are

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« Одговор #86 послато: Септембар 06, 2018, 07:49:36 поподне »
Hehe, Kor, I can see it coming...;-P Nooo, just kidding, without your help ,guys, I would be much worse off :-)

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« Одговор #87 послато: Септембар 09, 2018, 08:15:36 пре подне »
 Ćao svima!

Quick results summary:
ZS10589 A-

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« Одговор #88 послато: Септембар 09, 2018, 11:42:15 пре подне »
Ćao svima!

Quick results summary:
ZS10589 A-

Well what to say :(

I hoped you'll be positive on it. Now we have ZS4452 if you're in good mood for it :). I belive you will be positive on it

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« Одговор #89 послато: Септембар 09, 2018, 12:44:31 поподне »
No problem! We are just trying here, I don't think there is an easier way to do it... ;-)
I think I will test this one too, we have come so far that it would be a pity to give up. :-)
If we test positive for this, does it already place us in some cluster or we would have to test further? I still have difficulty in understanding the classification.
Hvala!!

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« Одговор #90 послато: Септембар 09, 2018, 12:57:30 поподне »
I found already the answer to my question looking at your previous answers, sorry :)
So if we test positive for this (ZS4452) then normally there are at least 3 more options (looking at its position in the tree that you sent me).

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« Одговор #91 послато: Септембар 09, 2018, 03:54:17 поподне »
Well, I belive that if you are positive on ZS4452 that is preety much "end of the road". You would be sharing common ancestor with us who had lived 3000 years before present (around 1000 BC).



Under ZS4452 you have ZS10589 (you are negative on it), ZS9952 (Ruddenklau and Maksimovic haplogroup; you probably not this, on DYS388 we share value 18 and you have 15 which is more common for other clusters) and ZS4375 ( which only have Moray). I also noticed one more branch under ZS4452 with name BY38105 shared by people from Portugal, Norway and Iraq. I only look at STR values of man from Iraq because others don't have public results, and I don't believe that you are this one either. (but you can check it; Kor either think that I work for Yseq :))

Maybe best thing should be, if you get positive on ZS4452, to wait a little until some thing in our branch become more clear.

Meantime, we can talk about possible ethnic identity of people who were carriers of this SNP (ZS4452). It look like they have enormous rise in period around 1000 BC. I was thinking about Arameans or something like that but there spreading, variance etc mostly look like pattern of old Israelites or some population close to them

I would like to hear what some other people think

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« Одговор #92 послато: Септембар 09, 2018, 07:25:57 поподне »
Thank you! :-) Hopefully we will be found positive, so that we will get our much desired answer! ;-)
So, according to you, they must have been some kind of Israelites? I have also heard the opinion that in the case of Greece theoretically speaking J1 could also be attributed to very early (pre-greek) migrations to the area of people originating from Anatolia? Could this be possible also in the case of your branch?

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« Одговор #93 послато: Септембар 09, 2018, 10:50:46 поподне »
As I previously wrote Radon on PM, it could be a completely new branch inside of diagram from above. 

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So, according to you, they must have been some kind of Israelites?
Israelites are a different (P58) branch parallel with PF7264. We still don't have any answer about precise origin of PF7264's predecessor. It is a rather wide region from Caucasus on north, Zagros mountains and central Iraq on South and East and Central Anatolia or something similar on the west. The most important thing in this kind of sport is patience, as I already said before.

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« Одговор #94 послато: Септембар 10, 2018, 06:31:49 пре подне »
Dobar dan Kor!
And thank you for your answer! How can one discover if he's a new branch? Only through the Big-Y? :-/
So, if we test negative for ZS4452 what would the next step be? (even if we have to wait for a while because the capital has gone seriously down, hehe...).
So, the origin of your Serbian cluster(s) according to you still remains unclear?
Doviđenja!

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« Одговор #95 послато: Септембар 10, 2018, 07:33:45 пре подне »
Dobar dan Kor!
And thank you for your answer! How can one discover if he's a new branch? Only through the Big-Y? :-/
So, if we test negative for ZS4452 what would the next step be? (even if we have to wait for a while because the capital has gone seriously down, hehe...).
So, the origin of your Serbian cluster(s) according to you still remains unclear?
Doviđenja!

I think you can order new branch BY38105 at Yseq, if you are positive on ZS4452. If you become negative on ZS4452 only other SNP you can order is ZS4376, hierarchical upon ZS4452.

@Kor

Why should Israelites be only P58? We have two clusters that are without any doubt Jewish, ZS10589 cluster A3 and A4. Other clusters also show similar pattern of Jewish diaspora in Europe and Fertile crescent. Iraqi sample BY38105 is very important because it is confirmed ZS4452 but not ZS10589, he is in same level as most of other PF7263 lines, so it looks like Fertile crescent is not fatherland for most of PF7263. Some Kurdish samples are confirmed ZS4376, but I don't know if they are tested positive on ZS4452. Privately I believe they should be

So, we have enough materials to look Jewish to me :)

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« Одговор #96 послато: Септембар 10, 2018, 10:50:11 пре подне »
Thank you, Radon!
Is there any way to know the period of the migration of your branch to Serbia? Again, excuse my ignorance, but are we talking more or less about an ancient migration or a more recent one eg. during Roman times or even medieval? Somebody had mentioned as a possible source Jewish soldiers, mercenaries or merchants, if I remember right?

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« Одговор #97 послато: Септембар 10, 2018, 03:02:40 поподне »
Thank you, Radon!
Is there any way to know the period of the migration of your branch to Serbia? Again, excuse my ignorance, but are we talking more or less about an ancient migration or a more recent one eg. during Roman times or even medieval? Somebody had mentioned as a possible source Jewish soldiers, mercenaries or merchants, if I remember right?

No, theoretically he could come from any time since origin 1000 BC until now. On the other side, clan/katun of Vlahović connected with our haplogroup is mention around 1300 year AD. So this is the time frame for it's occurrence. Secundary we have Ruddenklau with who we share common SNP ZS9952. Was the man who were that mutation European or Near Eastern we are not quite shore. According to Viktar, our common ancestor lived before 1780 years, but some parts of Maksimovic BigY test don't have good readings so he could be older (not much 100-200 years) which fit perfectly for time of diaspora during First Roman- Jewish war ;D (ok, now I expect critic).

So, I would add slave status to possible origin of the grandpa, beside military and trade

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« Одговор #98 послато: Септембар 10, 2018, 07:02:13 поподне »
Wow, cool, thanks for the explanation! :-)

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« Одговор #99 послато: Септембар 11, 2018, 06:47:22 поподне »
Quick results summary:
ZS4452 T+

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