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« Одговор #60 послато: Август 28, 2018, 10:36:48 поподне »
Hello лука, 😃
Thank you, yes I was not 100% sure but I thought so. I was not complrtely sure of how to interpret the A-. In fact I am learning these things a little mechanically without knowing what they actually mean.
So now, if I am not mistaken, the options are two: or being some rare or "new" subclade (?) of PF6263 or being just PF6264 (this very ancient type  :P)
I think I am going to order it now. I have become increasingly curious.
Talk to you soon again!

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« Одговор #61 послато: Август 29, 2018, 06:57:36 пре подне »
I'll be damn :)

I was almost shure that you are P56. Probably DYS19- 14 is one personal mutation, caracteristic for your line. About other things you are probably PF7263. You can order that SNP just in case, but you can order some marker down of it. Here is the schema of Viktar tree:



In your place, I would order ZS4407 (but in latest FTDNA J1 table this SNP is named as ZS4452, so you should probably find it under this name), and, if you are positive on it, ZS10589.
If somebody else have something to add, please do

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« Одговор #62 послато: Август 29, 2018, 10:08:09 пре подне »
Or maybe even test SNPs backward. First take ZS10589, then if you aren't so take ZS4407/ZS4452, if you aren't this take ZS4376. This coul be cheaper, expecially if we hit first SNP correct.

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« Одговор #63 послато: Август 29, 2018, 02:02:17 поподне »
Hello Radon!
No problem, we had to guess anyways between the two! :-) You are very helpful and alone I would feel completely lost in this research.
Interesting, this part about the mutation which is probably characteristic of our line.
Unfortunately, out of my zeal, I already ordered the PF7263 which will then most probably come out positive, right? But then again, I guess we still won't know where we stand exactly...Right? These SNP's you mention require that one is already PF7263 positive?
Is it true that he might as well be just PF7264 or is this close to impossible?
I just got an update of the results of our first test with all of the STRs included (one was still processing):

CDY 31-37
CTS2793 G-
DYF399X 21t-25c-25.1t
DYS19 14
DYS385 12-18
DYS388 15
DYS389I 12
DYS389II 29
DYS390 24
DYS391 10
DYS392 11
DYS393 12
DYS426 10
DYS437 14
DYS438 10
DYS439 12
DYS442 14
DYS447 24
DYS448 20
DYS449 28
DYS454 11
DYS455 11
DYS456 15
DYS458 18.2
DYS459 8-9
DYS460 11
DYS464 14-14-15-16
DYS464X 14g-14g-15g-16g
DYS570 18
DYS576 17
DYS607 14
DYS724 31-37
Y-GATA-H4 10
YCAII 19-22

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« Одговор #64 послато: Август 29, 2018, 05:45:51 поподне »
Temporarily, I don't belive that you are PF7263 negative and just PF7264 positive. As you said, at least we'll be shure about PF7263.
About other SNPs that I mention, they all are under PF7263. In Viktar's tree we have BAM files of seven people, and this is solid for some general picture about our brench. Unfortunatly, we don't have enough informations to upgrade structure in C.E.

I don't know if you see FTDNA table of J1 Y-DNA project. Our group is on page 8 (you must scroll to the end) under number 176. We have 52 participants (J1 project have 5509 iin this day) which mean that we make less then 1% of all J1 project :)

https://www.familytreedna.com/public/J-M267?iframe=yresults




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« Одговор #65 послато: Август 29, 2018, 06:35:33 поподне »
Yes, I understand that it's not simple at all...:-) I am trying to follow the technical details that you mention but I don't get them 100%. I think that I will become more accustomed in the future.
However, we already know that my dad is most probably PF7263, that he is not related to the Serbian Cluster or Clusters (?) plus that he is not related to Maragoudakis nor Venardos, right? Or are those not completely clear yet?
Yes, at least we will now get a verification of PF7263 or not, as you say.
I will keep youvposted of course and we'll see what our next step could be...I would like to find out if he belongs to an already defined cluster or not. ???
Talk to you soon!

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« Одговор #66 послато: Август 29, 2018, 06:48:08 поподне »
Yes, I did find your cluster now and could also see Venardos and Maragoudakis. We'll wait and see :-)

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« Одговор #67 послато: Август 30, 2018, 05:30:31 поподне »
So...what are we?? Aliens?? LOL

It seems... just a branch of PF7263 aliens :D
A rather unusual result for this haplogroup. It should be a new branch of it.

Radon should pay this for you because he suggested you to test P56, not PF7263. ;)

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« Одговор #68 послато: Август 30, 2018, 07:00:18 поподне »
It seems... just a branch of PF7263 aliens :D
A rather unusual result for this haplogroup. It should be a new branch of it.

Radon should pay this for you because he suggested you to test P56, not PF7263. ;)

Ok. I have nice old hat and I spot some fine place on the street. I guess it wont take long to earn that money ;)

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« Одговор #69 послато: Август 30, 2018, 10:05:53 поподне »
Hehe!!!  ;D  8)  ;)

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« Одговор #70 послато: Август 30, 2018, 10:07:58 поподне »
Radon, are you a good singer?  ;)

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« Одговор #71 послато: Август 30, 2018, 10:37:11 поподне »
Radon, are you a good singer?  ;)

Well, my plan was more something like this:

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/3sqhZScxVG8" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/3sqhZScxVG8</a>

  ;)

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« Одговор #72 послато: Август 30, 2018, 10:44:18 поподне »
 Haha...;D I cannot miss such a performance... ;)

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« Одговор #73 послато: Септембар 01, 2018, 03:20:53 поподне »
Ćao! :-)

They were quicker this time!:


Quick results summary:

PF7263 T+


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« Одговор #74 послато: Септембар 01, 2018, 03:23:18 поподне »
My Allele Results

SampleID   Ordered   Marker+   Chr   Start   End   Allele
15974   free   A13083   ChrY   12366740   12366740   G-
15974   free   BY14478   ChrY   20701326   20701326   C-
15974   free   BY19824   ChrY   7974015   7974015   T-
15974   free   BY33115   ChrY   7974112   7974112   T-
15974   free   BY34137   ChrY   7974062   7974062   C-
15974   free   BY38610   ChrY   7974240   7974240   G-
15974   free   BY49877   ChrY   7973963   7973963   G-
15974   free   BY51458   ChrY   20701472   20701472   G-
15974   free   BY68129   ChrY   7973848   7973848   T-
15974   free   BY68130   ChrY   7973892   7973892   A-
15974   free   BY68131   ChrY   7973893   7973893   T-
15974   free   BY68132   ChrY   7973975   7973975   G-
15974   free   BY68133   ChrY   7974220   7974220   C-
15974   free   BY96069   ChrY   12366538   12366538   T-
15974   free   BY96070   ChrY   12366611   12366611   T-
15974   free   BY96071   ChrY   12366652   12366652   A-
15974   free   BY96072   ChrY   12366775   12366775   G-
15974   free   BY141320   ChrY   20701291   20701291   A-
15974   free   BY141321   ChrY   20701321   20701321   C-
15974   free   BY141322   ChrY   20701354   20701354   A-
15974   free   BY141323   ChrY   20701447   20701447   C-
15974   free   BY141324   ChrY   20701475   20701475   T-
15974   free   BY141325   ChrY   20701522   20701522   G-
15974   free   BY141326   ChrY   20701524   20701524   C-
15974   free   BY157464   ChrY   7974210   7974210   A-
15974   free   BY164664   ChrY   7974092   7974092   A-
15974   free   BZ2126   ChrY   12366502   12366502   T-
15974   2018-07-28   CDY   ChrY   26152021   26152296   31-37
15974   free   CDY   ChrY   26152021   26152296   31-37
15974   free   CTS2793   ChrY   12366521   12366521   G-
15974   free   CTS10973   ChrY   20701497   20701497   C-
15974   free   DYF399X   ChrY   25096369   25096670   21t-25c-25.1t
15974   free   DYS19   ChrY   9521934   9522128   14
15974   free   DYS385   ChrY   20801456   20801824   12-18
15974   free   DYS388   ChrY   14747462   14747617   15
15974   free   DYS389I   ChrY   14612070   14612316   12
15974   free   DYS389II   ChrY   14612070   14612316   29
15974   2018-07-28   DYS390   ChrY   17274874   17275219   24
15974   free   DYS390   ChrY   17274874   17275219   24
15974   free   DYS391   ChrY   14102758   14103044   10
15974   free   DYS392   ChrY   22633758   22634011   11
15974   free   DYS393   ChrY   3131128   3131246   12
15974   free   DYS426   ChrY   19134813   19134909   10
15974   free   DYS437   ChrY   14466964   14467155   14
15974   free   DYS438   ChrY   14937795   14938015   10
15974   free   DYS439   ChrY   14515159   14515410   12
15974   free   DYS442   ChrY   14761064   14761368   14
15974   free   DYS447   ChrY   15278692   15278902   24
15974   free   DYS448   ChrY   24365000   24365293   20
15974   free   DYS449   ChrY   8217908   8218262   28
15974   free   DYS454   ChrY   8224083   8224282   11
15974   free   DYS455   ChrY   6911459   6911638   11
15974   free   DYS456   ChrY   4270942   4271090   15
15974   free   DYS458   ChrY   7867839   7867961   18.2
15974   free   DYS459   ChrY   26078790   26078941   8-9
15974   free   DYS460   ChrY   21050798   21050966   11
15974   2018-07-28   DYS464   ChrY   25240822   25241096   14-14-15-16
15974   free   DYS464   ChrY   25240822   25241096   14-14-15-16
15974   2018-07-28   DYS464X   ChrY   25240822   25241096   14g-14g-15g-16g
15974   free   DYS464X   ChrY   25240822   25241096   14g-14g-15g-16g
15974   free   DYS570   ChrY   6861115   6861370   18
15974   free   DYS576   ChrY   7053302   7053492   17
15974   2018-07-28   DYS607   ChrY   18414306   18414498   14
15974   free   DYS607   ChrY   18414306   18414498   14
15974   free   DYS724   ChrY   26152021   26152296   31-37
15974   free   FGC21497   ChrY   7973929   7973929   T-
15974   free   FGC30156   ChrY   20701412   20701412   A-
15974   free   FGC43287   ChrY   7974122   7974122   G-
15974   free   FGC43780   ChrY   20701328   20701328   A-
15974   free   FGC51007   ChrY   7974279   7974279   C-
15974   free   FGC68859   ChrY   12366388   12366388   T-
15974   free   L233   ChrY   12366631   12366631   G-
15974   free   L1381   ChrY   12366412   12366412   T-
15974   free   M7176   ChrY   7974006   7974006   T-
15974   free   M8131   ChrY   20701374   20701374   T-
15974   free   M12139   ChrY   7973998   7973998   C-
15974   free   MF3146   ChrY   7974238   7974238   G-
15974   free   MF11160   ChrY   20701469   20701469   G-
15974   free   MF14465   ChrY   7974011   7974011   A-
15974   free   MF15061   ChrY   12366452   12366452   A-
15974   free   P56   ChrY   12366607   12366607   A-
15974   2018-08-21   P56   ChrY   12366607   12366607   A-
15974   free   PF7263   ChrY   20701461   20701461   T+
15974   2018-08-28   PF7263   ChrY   20701461   20701461   T+
15974   free   PF7264   ChrY   7974038   7974038   G+
15974   2018-08-16   PF7264   ChrY   7974038   7974038   G+
15974   free   S183   ChrY   12366631   12366631   G-
15974   free   Y-GATA-H4   ChrY   18743384   18743751   10
15974   free   Y22448   ChrY   20701328   20701328   A-
15974   free   Y24943   ChrY   20701328   20701328   A-
15974   free   Y32071   ChrY   12366580   12366580   T-
15974   free   Y39163   ChrY   7974062   7974062   C-
15974   free   Y46493   ChrY   7973974   7973974   G-
15974   free   Y46494   ChrY   7974023   7974023   G-
15974   free   Y46495   ChrY   7974262   7974262   T-
15974   free   Y49593   ChrY   12366527   12366527   G-
15974   free   Y85133   ChrY   7973931   7973931   T-
15974   free   Y85134   ChrY   7974112   7974112   T-
15974   free   Y109995   ChrY   20701384   20701384   A-
15974   free   Y136003   ChrY   12366537   12366537   G-
15974   free   Y147346   ChrY   7974067   7974067   G-
15974   free   YCAII   ChrY   19622083   19622240   19-22
15974   free   YP1066   ChrY   20701297   20701297   G-
15974   free   Z11653   ChrY   20701491   20701491   T-
15974   free   Z33972   ChrY   7973903   7973903   A-
15974   free   Z34748   ChrY   7973844   7973844   C-
15974   free   Z36725   ChrY   7974203   7974203   G-
15974   free   ZS5194   ChrY   20701412   20701412   A-
15974   free   ZS8356   ChrY   7973991   7973991   C-
15974   free   ZS9802   ChrY   7973890   7973890   G-
15974   free   ZS11872   ChrY   20701309   20701309   A-

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« Одговор #75 послато: Септембар 01, 2018, 06:32:07 поподне »
Yes :) Congratulations on the confirmation.

I take a look on Yseq offers for further testing.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1cyjs9kxFD2TQX0WtMuIe7OuFCMBtzOgM/view?usp=sharing

Their name for PF7263 is ZS4381 (by the way, nice of them to call it PF7263 in your result). It has next SNPs: L256 (probably not yours; it was find in some earlier scientific works, but no one who is tested had it), Z28144 (same as L256; it is found in some samples from Sardinia, without name; probably Phoenician or Jewish colonists; probably not important for you) and ZS4376. ZS4376 has branches: ZS8976 found in BigY of Goss and ZS4452 found in most of us.

ZS4452 has next branches:ZS9952 which is found in Ruddenklau and Maksimović (and probably pozitive for all serbian samples) samples, ZS4375 found in Moray sample and ZS10572 found in Vanett sample. Unfortunatly, I didn't found that they are testing ZS10589.

I found some other SNPs which look they are under ZS4452: A19220, A19217, A19211. I don't know where is there position in J1 tree, so I don't recommand them for testing without more informations

https://www.yseq.net/product_info.php?products_id=60209
https://www.yseq.net/product_info.php?products_id=60207
https://www.yseq.net/product_info.php?products_id=60206

What I can recommend is ZS4452 or ZS10572 (probably better ZS4452). I don't know if you can ask them do they test ZS10589. If this is possible, then I would recommend this SNP first

I don't know if you see our position in Yseq tree:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/13-ZCyiHK7qWM6aWgjrGp02oaDiCtFYGh/view?usp=sharing

Yseq has Facebook group and you probably can put question on it:

https://web.facebook.com/groups/YSEQDNA/

Uh, too much english for me today. By by
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« Одговор #76 послато: Септембар 01, 2018, 09:41:38 поподне »
Dear Radon,
Thank you so much for all the valuable info! It's a good idea to ask them if they test ZS10589 on their FB page first. I didn't know they had such a page, thank you. Truth is, a couple of times they did not answer questions sent by email so the FB page sounds like a good idea! So I will ask them first and then I will let you know.
Now that it has been finally confirmed...;-) many greetings , my fellow PF7263 :-P!

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« Одговор #77 послато: Септембар 02, 2018, 01:51:36 поподне »
Thomas's (yseq) answer:

Yes we can.
https://www.yseq.net/product_info.php?products_id=81625

We even have primers in stock, so there is no delay for ordering new primers.

In general it is possible to send a 'Wish a SNP' order for all possible markers that you need for your research.

So, what would you suggest?

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« Одговор #78 послато: Септембар 02, 2018, 01:52:13 поподне »
;-) I have no clue what primers are, haha
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« Одговор #79 послато: Септембар 02, 2018, 02:58:33 поподне »
Quick answer- best answer ;)

I think that primers are newer untested SNPs so you would be the first to check their value.

It's hard to say. Careful me should say "Check ZS4452 first", but gambler in me should say "Let's check ZS10589, maybe we would save some money". I belive that you are positive on ZS4452 , but I'm in doubt about Zs10589. You probably not belong to cluster A3 and A4 because of value on DYS607, they have 13 and you have 14. But this is biggest group, Maragoudakis is in it, so maybe it will be worth to test it.

In worst case we will take step back and test ZS4452. I hope I help a little