J1 PF7263 from Greece

[Kor]

Honestly, I am not sure about subgroup where this haplotype belongs

https://www.familytreedna.com/public/J-M267/default.aspx?section=yresults

[Alexandra_K]

Thank you, Kor! It seems to be a little more complicated than expected, as I understand? I ordered the test of PF-7264 as they suggested. It costed 15 Euro so I thought, what the heck, I'll get this too  Let's see if it will be enough to get the whole picture...

[Kor]

I am really confused about this situation and even don't know what to say or what to suggest Radon says that your dad belongs to P56 but our predictor says that he belongs to PF7263. As you can see in FTDNA table, it is a little bit difficult to sort his haplotype in some of previously defined categories. Don't forget that patience is important thing in this kind of sports. 

[Alexandra_K]

Hehe, thank you Kor! What a mystery... Yes, I will try to be patient  Let's see......

[Be like Bill]

Hehe, thank you Kor! What a mystery... Yes, I will try to be patient  Let's see......

Go girl. Just patient. 

[Alexandra_K]

 

[Alexandra_K]

Hello, my friends!
We got the results:

Quick results summary:
PF7264 G+

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SampleID   Ordered   Marker+   Chr   Start   End   Allele
15974   free   BY19824   ChrY   7974015   7974015   T-
15974   free   BY33115   ChrY   7974112   7974112   T-
15974   free   BY34137   ChrY   7974062   7974062   C-
15974   free   BY38610   ChrY   7974240   7974240   G-
15974   free   BY49877   ChrY   7973963   7973963   G-
15974   free   BY68129   ChrY   7973848   7973848   T-
15974   free   BY68130   ChrY   7973892   7973892   A-
15974   free   BY68131   ChrY   7973893   7973893   T-
15974   free   BY68132   ChrY   7973975   7973975   G-
15974   free   BY68133   ChrY   7974220   7974220   C-
15974   free   BY157464   ChrY   7974210   7974210   A-
15974   free   BY164664   ChrY   7974092   7974092   A-
15974   2018-07-28   CDY   ChrY   26152021   26152296   31-37
15974   free   CDY   ChrY   26152021   26152296   31-37
15974   free   DYS19   ChrY   9521934   9522128   14
15974   free   DYS385   ChrY   20801456   20801824   12-18
15974   free   DYS388   ChrY   14747462   14747617   15
15974   free   DYS389I   ChrY   14612070   14612316   12
15974   free   DYS389II   ChrY   14612070   14612316   29
15974   2018-07-28   DYS390   ChrY   17274874   17275219   24
15974   free   DYS390   ChrY   17274874   17275219   24
15974   free   DYS391   ChrY   14102758   14103044   10
15974   free   DYS392   ChrY   22633758   22634011   11
15974   free   DYS393   ChrY   3131128   3131246   12
15974   free   DYS426   ChrY   19134813   19134909   10
15974   free   DYS437   ChrY   14466964   14467155   14
15974   free   DYS438   ChrY   14937795   14938015   10
15974   free   DYS439   ChrY   14515159   14515410   12
15974   free   DYS442   ChrY   14761064   14761368   14
15974   free   DYS447   ChrY   15278692   15278902   24
15974   free   DYS448   ChrY   24365000   24365293   20
15974   free   DYS449   ChrY   8217908   8218262   28
15974   free   DYS454   ChrY   8224083   8224282   11
15974   free   DYS455   ChrY   6911459   6911638   11
15974   free   DYS456   ChrY   4270942   4271090   15
15974   free   DYS458   ChrY   7867839   7867961   18.2
15974   free   DYS459   ChrY   26078790   26078941   8-9
15974   free   DYS460   ChrY   21050798   21050966   11
15974   free   DYS570   ChrY   6861115   6861370   18
15974   free   DYS576   ChrY   7053302   7053492   17
15974   2018-07-28   DYS607   ChrY   18414306   18414498   14
15974   free   DYS607   ChrY   18414306   18414498   14
15974   free   DYS724   ChrY   26152021   26152296   31-37
15974   free   FGC21497   ChrY   7973929   7973929   T-
15974   free   FGC43287   ChrY   7974122   7974122   G-
15974   free   FGC51007   ChrY   7974279   7974279   C-
15974   free   M7176   ChrY   7974006   7974006   T-
15974   free   M12139   ChrY   7973998   7973998   C-
15974   free   MF3146   ChrY   7974238   7974238   G-
15974   free   MF14465   ChrY   7974011   7974011   A-
15974   free   PF7264   ChrY   7974038   7974038   G+
15974   2018-08-16   PF7264   ChrY   7974038   7974038   G+
15974   free   Y-GATA-H4   ChrY   18743384   18743751   10
15974   free   Y39163   ChrY   7974062   7974062   C-
15974   free   Y46493   ChrY   7973974   7973974   G-
15974   free   Y46494   ChrY   7974023   7974023   G-
15974   free   Y46495   ChrY   7974262   7974262   T-
15974   free   Y85133   ChrY   7973931   7973931   T-
15974   free   Y85134   ChrY   7974112   7974112   T-
15974   free   Y147346   ChrY   7974067   7974067   G-
15974   free   YCAII   ChrY   19622083   19622240   19-22
15974   free   Z33972   ChrY   7973903   7973903   A-
15974   free   Z34748   ChrY   7973844   7973844   C-
15974   free   Z36725   ChrY   7974203   7974203   G-
15974   free   ZS8356   ChrY   7973991   7973991   C-
15974   free   ZS9802   ChrY   7973890   

Sorry, I am confused...:-) Does this mean he still can be PF7263 as everyone thought or is PF7263 already excluded?
Hvala!

[Be like Bill]

Theoretically yes. Maybe value 14 on DYS19 is some private mutation, and you are PF7263+, and 14 is false flage for P56. You should check P56 or Pf7263 on Yseq. You could also be PF7264* which mean that you don't have close relative for last 10 000 years.  But at least we are sure that you are pozitive on PF7264.

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[Alexandra_K]

Hello Radon! :-)
Do you mean that we should test P56 or PF7263 just as we did with PF7264, in order to know more?
Being without any close relative for the last 10,000 years would feel awfully lonely... 
Bye bye and thank you!   

[Alexandra_K]

I just checked and both P56 and PF7263 cost 18 euros each. Would one have to test one of them only? So, if for example one would be found to be P56 negative that would immediately mean that he is PF7263, and the opposite (if found to be PF7263 negative that would immediately mean that he is P56)?

[Be like Bill]

I just checked and both P56 and PF7263 cost 18 euros each. Would one have to test one of them only? So, if for example one would be found to be P56 negative that would immediately mean that he is PF7263, and the opposite (if found to be PF7263 negative that would immediately mean that he is P56)?

I should first suggest P56. I still belive that I was right. If you are not P56 you should test PF7263 just to exclude option that you are PF7264*

[Alexandra_K]

Ok! Thank you for your suggestion! Laku noć!

[Kor]

I'd prefer to test PF7263 because of predictor which gave much more chance to them than to P56

[Alexandra_K]

Thank you, too Kor! I already ordered P56 But if it comes out negative, I will have to test PF7263 too. Expensive hobby  Dobar dan!

[Be like Bill]

Thank you, too Kor! I already ordered P56 But if it comes out negative, I will have to test PF7263 too. Expensive hobby  Dobar dan!

Yes it is!

Dobar dan i tebi!- Good day to you too!

[Be like Bill]

I'd prefer to test PF7263 because of predictor which gave much more chance to them than to P56

Well, we can take a bet!

As I told, biggest reason for me that Alexandra's father is P56 is value on DYS19-14 whic is caracteristic for P56. I know that we have some unusal resoults where we have possible PF7263, but with not 13 on DYS19 (like in one sample that Zor found, sample had 12 on DYS19)

https://www.poreklo.rs/forum/index.php?topic=833.msg59154#msg59154

But let be patient and see. In the meanwhile what are we betting for?

[Alexandra_K]

Interesting case, Radon, thank you.
I have no clue, guys, so I let you do the betting, haha...

[Alexandra_K]

Hello!
So.......quick results: P56 A- 


My Allele Results
SampleID   Ordered   Marker+   Chr   Start   End   Allele
15974   free   A13083   ChrY   12366740   12366740   G-
15974   free   BY19824   ChrY   7974015   7974015   T-
15974   free   BY33115   ChrY   7974112   7974112   T-
15974   free   BY34137   ChrY   7974062   7974062   C-
15974   free   BY38610   ChrY   7974240   7974240   G-
15974   free   BY49877   ChrY   7973963   7973963   G-
15974   free   BY68129   ChrY   7973848   7973848   T-
15974   free   BY68130   ChrY   7973892   7973892   A-
15974   free   BY68131   ChrY   7973893   7973893   T-
15974   free   BY68132   ChrY   7973975   7973975   G-
15974   free   BY68133   ChrY   7974220   7974220   C-
15974   free   BY96069   ChrY   12366538   12366538   T-
15974   free   BY96070   ChrY   12366611   12366611   T-
15974   free   BY96071   ChrY   12366652   12366652   A-
15974   free   BY96072   ChrY   12366775   12366775   G-
15974   free   BY157464   ChrY   7974210   7974210   A-
15974   free   BY164664   ChrY   7974092   7974092   A-
15974   free   BZ2126   ChrY   12366502   12366502   T-
15974   2018-07-28   CDY   ChrY   26152021   26152296   31-37
15974   free   CDY   ChrY   26152021   26152296   31-37
15974   free   CTS2793   ChrY   12366521   12366521   G-
15974   free   DYF399X   ChrY   25096369   25096670   21t-25c-25.1t
15974   free   DYS19   ChrY   9521934   9522128   14
15974   free   DYS385   ChrY   20801456   20801824   12-18
15974   free   DYS388   ChrY   14747462   14747617   15
15974   free   DYS389I   ChrY   14612070   14612316   12
15974   free   DYS389II   ChrY   14612070   14612316   29
15974   2018-07-28   DYS390   ChrY   17274874   17275219   24
15974   free   DYS390   ChrY   17274874   17275219   24
15974   free   DYS391   ChrY   14102758   14103044   10
15974   free   DYS392   ChrY   22633758   22634011   11
15974   free   DYS393   ChrY   3131128   3131246   12
15974   free   DYS426   ChrY   19134813   19134909   10
15974   free   DYS437   ChrY   14466964   14467155   14
15974   free   DYS438   ChrY   14937795   14938015   10
15974   free   DYS439   ChrY   14515159   14515410   12
15974   free   DYS442   ChrY   14761064   14761368   14
15974   free   DYS447   ChrY   15278692   15278902   24
15974   free   DYS448   ChrY   24365000   24365293   20
15974   free   DYS449   ChrY   8217908   8218262   28
15974   free   DYS454   ChrY   8224083   8224282   11
15974   free   DYS455   ChrY   6911459   6911638   11
15974   free   DYS456   ChrY   4270942   4271090   15
15974   free   DYS458   ChrY   7867839   7867961   18.2
15974   free   DYS459   ChrY   26078790   26078941   8-9
15974   free   DYS460   ChrY   21050798   21050966   11
15974   2018-07-28   DYS464X   ChrY   25240822   25241096   14g-14g-15g-16g
15974   free   DYS464X   ChrY   25240822   25241096   14g-14g-15g-16g
15974   free   DYS570   ChrY   6861115   6861370   18
15974   free   DYS576   ChrY   7053302   7053492   17
15974   2018-07-28   DYS607   ChrY   18414306   18414498   14
15974   free   DYS607   ChrY   18414306   18414498   14
15974   free   DYS724   ChrY   26152021   26152296   31-37
15974   free   FGC21497   ChrY   7973929   7973929   T-
15974   free   FGC43287   ChrY   7974122   7974122   G-
15974   free   FGC51007   ChrY   7974279   7974279   C-
15974   free   FGC68859   ChrY   12366388   12366388   T-
15974   free   L233   ChrY   12366631   12366631   G-
15974   free   L1381   ChrY   12366412   12366412   T-
15974   free   M7176   ChrY   7974006   7974006   T-
15974   free   M12139   ChrY   7973998   7973998   C-
15974   free   MF3146   ChrY   7974238   7974238   G-
15974   free   MF14465   ChrY   7974011   7974011   A-
15974   free   MF15061   ChrY   12366452   12366452   A-
15974   free   P56   ChrY   12366607   12366607   A-
15974   2018-08-21   P56   ChrY   12366607   12366607   A-
15974   free   PF7264   ChrY   7974038   7974038   G+
15974   2018-08-16   PF7264   ChrY   7974038   7974038   G+
15974   free   S183   ChrY   12366631   12366631   G-
15974   free   Y-GATA-H4   ChrY   18743384   18743751   10
15974   free   Y32071   ChrY   12366580   12366580   T-
15974   free   Y39163   ChrY   7974062   7974062   C-
15974   free   Y46493   ChrY   7973974   7973974   G-
15974   free   Y46494   ChrY   7974023   7974023   G-
15974   free   Y46495   ChrY   7974262   7974262   T-
15974   free   Y49593   ChrY   12366527   12366527   G-
15974   free   Y85133   ChrY   7973931   7973931   T-
15974   free   Y85134   ChrY   7974112   7974112   T-
15974   free   Y136003   ChrY   12366537   12366537   G-
15974   free   Y147346   ChrY   7974067   7974067   G-
15974   free   YCAII   ChrY   19622083   19622240   19-22
15974   free   Z33972   ChrY   7973903   7973903   A-
15974   free   Z34748   ChrY   7973844   7973844   C-
15974   free   Z36725   ChrY   7974203   7974203   G-
15974   free   ZS8356   ChrY   7973991   7973991   C-
15974   free   ZS9802   ChrY   7973890   7973890   G-

[Alexandra_K]

So...what are we?? Aliens?? LOL

[Jelic]

You should order PF7263 now.