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« Одговор #20 послато: Јул 04, 2018, 10:51:16 поподне »
Cao Radonic,

Some things are not just local. Like the beauty and heroic history. Greece have both

I was seriously moved to read this. Thank you. I really hope to learn more about Serbian history in the future (I am a little ignorant and I feel sorry for this) and to visit the country once soon! I can imagine it is also very beautiful!

Well this is very intheresting. Do you more about part who moved in Montenegro and Slovenia?
We have some surnames wich sound Greek to us, but we haven't have nobody to ask about them :). Does Macura, Mataruga and Krič (Krich) sound familiar to you and do they have some meaning on Greek?


No, I don't know much about them yet. But I could ask some more information to my newly discovered relative. Their surname sounds Yugoslavian though.
We have the surname Masouras in Greece (from masouri: a sort of knot made of thread where they used to keep their money in, in the past, word of Turkish origin). Also the surname Mataragas with an "A". This must be an Arvanite surname coming from the name of an Albanian feudarch as I read. There are also a few villages/towns all over Greece, called Mataraga or names derived from it. Lastly, there is the surname Kritsis (coming mainly from Thessaloniki it seems). So, yes theoretically there might be some connection.

That would be intheresting. Unfortunatly, I haven't saw many Arvanit haplotypes.

I imagine that one would have to look at the dominant Albanian haplotypes, right? And if there is such a division, especially at the Tosk ones, since the Arvanites are said to have been Tosks.

Pozdrav!

P.S: I will try to start another thread on the Slavic presence in our area in Ioannina (I seem to have many questions about this issue too ;-) )
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« Одговор #21 послато: Јул 05, 2018, 07:29:41 пре подне »
Thank you Alexandra. You really done fantastic job. I hope that some thins are more clear now

Pozdrav

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« Одговор #22 послато: Јул 05, 2018, 07:57:18 пре подне »
Thank you, too, Radonic!!! Yes, many things are much clearer now! Hvala!

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« Одговор #23 послато: Јул 07, 2018, 09:45:12 пре подне »
Just a silly question more for fun...(I can imagine that linking haplogroups to phenotypes can be often very arbitrary and not so scientific but.. ) how do you fellow Serbian PF7263 people look? Does any of you have  any more Southern or even more Eastern features? I know it is a bit of a silly question taking into account the huge amount of admixture we all have and the fact that the haplogroup characterizes a very small part of our overall genetic ancestry. But for example my father, when he was younger used to have dark brown hair,  has rather light skin, brown eyes, is long faced with very strong cheekbones and prominent features (large eyes, nose, mouth). Just out of curiosity, if you feel like answering, how do you look? :D

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« Одговор #24 послато: Јул 07, 2018, 11:40:06 пре подне »
Some famous Serbian singers belongs to J1-PF7263, such as Goran Šepa and Zdravko Čolić, so, this is maybe response for your question ''how do you fellow Serbian PF7263 people look?''. Greets from BMK. ;)
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« Одговор #25 послато: Јул 07, 2018, 11:58:59 пре подне »
Hello BMK my friend! :-) Thank you for the images! Funny to have even famous people in the PF 7263 group :-) So among the 20 known Serbian cases (at least) 2 of them are famous?...not bad! :) Well there is something about them physically, no? Or are they very typical Serbians for that matter? (I can't say I am an expert at "Serbian phenotypes").

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« Одговор #26 послато: Јул 07, 2018, 01:06:45 поподне »
My father looks a lot like Goran Šepa but without all that hair  :)

I don't know what to say. We are fitting in serbian average (we have big and small, blond and dark, all types and shapes).

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« Одговор #27 послато: Јул 07, 2018, 01:11:57 поподне »
Hello Radonic,
Hehe...without all that hair... LOL :-D My father used to look a bit like Richard Gere earlier, but then a more Mediterranean version ;-)...
Yes, I guess he too fits in the Greek average in a way, maybe just my need to feel more exotic, haha...:-P

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« Одговор #28 послато: Јул 09, 2018, 06:47:06 поподне »
My father looks a lot like Goran Šepa but without all that hair  :)

He didn't smoke weed when he was young guy :D

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« Одговор #29 послато: Јул 09, 2018, 07:09:08 поподне »
Haha! Thank God! ;-)

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« Одговор #30 послато: Јул 28, 2018, 07:59:46 поподне »
Hello guys! Just wanted to tell you that I ordered the Alpha Beta panel today :-) I am looking forward to finding out more about my dad's haplogroup! I will definitely let you know of the results.
Doviđenja!

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« Одговор #31 послато: Јул 29, 2018, 07:33:03 пре подне »
Hello guys! Just wanted to tell you that I ordered the Alpha Beta panel today :-) I am looking forward to finding out more about my dad's haplogroup! I will definitely let you know of the results.
Doviđenja!

Exellent news. Thank you Alexandra.  :)

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« Одговор #32 послато: Јул 29, 2018, 07:50:31 пре подне »
You are welcome! :-)

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« Одговор #33 послато: Август 15, 2018, 11:00:52 поподне »
Guys, I signed in in my dad's yseq account a bit earlier, although I haven't received any email from them yet about the results being ready, and I saw the following. Is this already part of his results? Sorry, I am just completely ignorant on this level.


My Allele Results
SampleID   Ordered   Marker+   Chr   Start   End   Allele
15974   2018-07-28   CDY   ChrY   26152021   26152296   31-37
15974   free   DYS442   ChrY   14761064   14761368   14
15974   free   DYS448   ChrY   24365000   24365293   20
15974   free   DYS449   ChrY   8217908   8218262   28
15974   free   DYS454   ChrY   8224083   8224282   11
15974   free   DYS455   ChrY   6911459   6911638   11
15974   free   DYS456   ChrY   4270942   4271090   15
15974   free   DYS458   ChrY   7867839   7867961   18.2
15974   free   DYS459   ChrY   26078790   26078941   8-9
15974   free   DYS460   ChrY   21050798   21050966   11
15974   free   DYS570   ChrY   6861115   6861370   18
15974   free   DYS576   ChrY   7053302   7053492   17
15974   2018-07-28   DYS607   ChrY   18414306   18414498   14
15974   free   DYS724   ChrY   26152021   26152296   31-37
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« Одговор #34 послато: Август 16, 2018, 07:49:45 пре подне »
Guys, I signed in in my dad's yseq account a bit earlier, although I haven't received any email from them yet about the results being ready, and I saw the following. Is this already part of his results? Sorry, I am just completely ignorant on this level.


My Allele Results
SampleID   Ordered   Marker+   Chr   Start   End   Allele
15974   2018-07-28   CDY   ChrY   26152021   26152296   31-37
15974   free   DYS442   ChrY   14761064   14761368   14
15974   free   DYS448   ChrY   24365000   24365293   20
15974   free   DYS449   ChrY   8217908   8218262   28
15974   free   DYS454   ChrY   8224083   8224282   11
15974   free   DYS455   ChrY   6911459   6911638   11
15974   free   DYS456   ChrY   4270942   4271090   15
15974   free   DYS458   ChrY   7867839   7867961   18.2
15974   free   DYS459   ChrY   26078790   26078941   8-9
15974   free   DYS460   ChrY   21050798   21050966   11
15974   free   DYS570   ChrY   6861115   6861370   18
15974   free   DYS576   ChrY   7053302   7053492   17
15974   2018-07-28   DYS607   ChrY   18414306   18414498   14
15974   free   DYS724   ChrY   26152021   26152296   31-37
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Hello Alexandra :)

Yes, this is part of panel. Although most important markers missing, we can say few things. Most probably you are not close to Venardos. He have DYS448- 21 while you have 20 (which is common in our branch). You also have value 14 on DYS607 so you most probably not belong to branches ZS10589 cluster A3 and A4 which are most numerous, they have value 13 on this place. For now you look close to Maragoudakis even you have 28 on DYS449 and he have 31. I'm not sure about variability of that marker in our group but I belive it's not of great importance. It's intheresting that you have value 11 on DYS460 while almost all others have value 10 on that marker. For some deeper conclusions lets wait other markers

If anybody else have some ideas please join the conversation. Kor, I count on you ;)

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« Одговор #35 послато: Август 16, 2018, 10:40:33 пре подне »
Hello radon 😃
Thank you! Interesting, I am curious to find out more now! Let's see....;-)
I recently read this thing that I wrote here too, namely that the Venetians who ruled Kephalonia for close to 300 years had placed people from the region of Venice (Roman Catholics) there because it was underpopulated, but also people (Greek Orthodox) from their conquests (Stato da Mar: incl. Crete, Evia, Cyclades and even Cyprus). Maragoudakis comes from Crete, that's why I thought of this. And in general there must have been movement between the two islands.
But let's wait for the complete results! ;-)
Many greetings from cloudy and cool Tserkovista! ! ;-)

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« Одговор #36 послато: Август 16, 2018, 02:45:40 поподне »
Yes, this are all possibilities, but I belive that you are some independent ZS4376. I would guess your possible haplotype. There are some J1 PF7326 on east coast of Sicilia in Ragusa/Siracusa. There values vere:

393-390-19-391-385ab-426-388-439-389I-392-389II-458-437-448-GATAH4-456-438-635
12 - 24 - 13 -10 - 12/17 -10- 15 - 12 - 12 - 11 - 29 -18.2 (19.2)- 14- 20 -10 - 15 -10 - 21

It's from scientific paper "Uniparental markers in Italy reveal a sex-biased genetic structure and different historical strata" from Boattini et al

http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0065441#s6

This is a table vith STR values

http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article/file?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0065441.s013&type=supplementary

Siracusa samples are under numbers 791 and 799. There is also cousain from Agrigento under number 676. They are all Sicilians 8). I totaly forgot them

I think your haplotype could be close to them

Greetings from hot and sunny (to hot and sunny ) Belgrade :)

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« Одговор #37 послато: Август 16, 2018, 03:13:42 поподне »
Aha! Interesting!  8) Yes, this too could be possible! Thank you for letting me know :)
It even started raining now   :-\ Let's book a flight to Belgrade  ;)

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« Одговор #38 послато: Август 16, 2018, 04:03:04 поподне »
Oops! Some new stuff added!

SampleID   Ordered   Marker+   Chr   Start   End   Allele
15974   2018-07-28   CDY   ChrY   26152021   26152296   31-37
15974   free   DYS19   ChrY   9521934   9522128   14
15974   free   DYS385   ChrY   20801456   20801824   12-18
15974   free   DYS388   ChrY   14747462   14747617   15
15974   free   DYS389I   ChrY   14612070   14612316   12
15974   free   DYS389II   ChrY   14612070   14612316   29
15974   2018-07-28   DYS390   ChrY   17274874   17275219   24
15974   free   DYS391   ChrY   14102758   14103044   10
15974   free   DYS392   ChrY   22633758   22634011   11
15974   free   DYS393   ChrY   3131128   3131246   12
15974   free   DYS426   ChrY   19134813   19134909   10
15974   free   DYS437   ChrY   14466964   14467155   14
15974   free   DYS438   ChrY   14937795   14938015   10
15974   free   DYS439   ChrY   14515159   14515410   12
15974   free   DYS442   ChrY   14761064   14761368   14
15974   free   DYS447   ChrY   15278692   15278902   24
15974   free   DYS448   ChrY   24365000   24365293   20
15974   free   DYS449   ChrY   8217908   8218262   28
15974   free   DYS454   ChrY   8224083   8224282   11
15974   free   DYS455   ChrY   6911459   6911638   11
15974   free   DYS456   ChrY   4270942   4271090   15
15974   free   DYS458   ChrY   7867839   7867961   18.2
15974   free   DYS459   ChrY   26078790   26078941   8-9
15974   free   DYS460   ChrY   21050798   21050966   11
15974   free   DYS570   ChrY   6861115   6861370   18
15974   free   DYS576   ChrY   7053302   7053492   17
15974   2018-07-28   DYS607   ChrY   18414306   18414498   14
15974   free   DYS724   ChrY   26152021   26152296   31-37
15974   free   Y-GATA-H4   ChrY   18743384   18743751   10
15974   free   YCAII   ChrY   19622083   19622240   19-22
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YSEQ ID 15974
FTDNA Format:
FTDNA PANEL 1 (1-12)
Marker   DYS393   DYS390   DYS19   DYS391   DYS385   DYS426   DYS388   DYS439   DYS389I   DYS392   DYS389II
Value   12   24   14   10   12-18   10   15   12   12   11   29
FTDNA PANEL 2 (13-25)
Marker   DYS458   DYS459   DYS455   DYS454   DYS447   DYS437   DYS448   DYS449   DYS464
Value   18.2   8-9   11   11   24   14   20   28   
FTDNA PANEL 3 (26-37)
Marker   DYS460   Y-GATA-H4   YCAII   DYS456   DYS607   DYS576   DYS570   CDY   DYS442   DYS438
Value   11   9   19-22   15   14   17   18   31-37   14   10
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« Одговор #39 послато: Август 17, 2018, 07:24:29 поподне »
Here it is ;)