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Comparison of autosomal results from different companies for me and my parents
« послато: Август 10, 2018, 01:35:56 поподне »
I decided to gather up all the available autosomal results from different vendors concerning myself and my parents in order to have a clearer view myself and to be able to compare better. However I thought these could be interesting to some of you too, so I thought of posting them here as well. I haven't included our LM genetics reports although I believe they might be among the most accurate ones because I have already posted them in the previous thread.
To sum up, we are all Greek. My father comes 50% from Kephalonia (Ionian Island) and 50% from Kea (Aegean Cycladic Island). My mother 100% from Epirus (area of Ioannina). Her family also has known Vlach and Arvanite roots.

I am posting the collected results below:

Father


MyHeritage: Greek 72.2%, Italian 3.7%, East European 3.3%, Baltic 1.1%, Sephardic Jewish- North African 17.9%
Ancestry DNA: Europe South 64%, Europe East 12%, Caucasus 11%, Middle East 9%, European Jewish 2%, Iberian Peninsula 1%, Africa North <1%
23andme: Balkan 61.7%, Italian 24.2%, Broadly Southern European 9.1%, Broadly European 0.2%, Western Asian 2.4%, Broadly Western Asian and North African 1.4% (dots: 5 Greece, 4 Albania, 3 Macedonia, 2 Croatia, 2 Romania, 2 Serbia, 1 Italy)
FTDNA: Southeast Europe 72%, East Europe 1%, Sephardic 8%, Asia Minor 15%, North Africa 3%, West Middle East < 1%, Northeast Asia <1%
Geneplaza K29: Sicilian 49.8%, Greek-Albanian 36.8%, Eastern European (Southern Slavic) 4.1%, West Asian 8%, Southwest Asian 0.5%
Gencove: 77% Eastern Mediterranean, 5% Northern Africa, 5% Anatolia, Caucasus and Iranian Plateau, 4% Northern Italy, 4% Southwestern Europe, 3% Middle East, 2% Central Asia
DNA.land: Balkan 85%, Sardinian 5.4%, Indo-Iranian 4%, Arab/Egyptian 3.8%, Central Indoeuropean 1.8%
Eurogenes K13: 1 East_Med 26.64,2 West_Med 21.85, 3 West_Asian 15.23, 4 North_Atlantic 15.2, 5 Baltic12.84, 6 Red_Sea5.38, 7 South_Asian 1.29, 8 East_Asian 0.93, 9 Northeast_African 0.52, 10 Oceanian 0.12
1 Central Greek 3.76, 2 East Sicilian 5.01, 3 Greek Thessaly 5.96
1 50% Central_Greek +50% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.723557
1 50% Lebanese_Muslim +25% Sardinian +25% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.177477


Mother

MyHeritage: 58.5% Greek, 33.5% Balkan, 8% Ashkenazi Jewish
FTDNA: 100% Southeast Europe
Geneplaza K29: Greek-Albanian 50.4%, Sicilian 34.4%, Eastern Slavic 11.8%, Caucasian 2,6%, Southwest Asian 0.7%
Gencove: 80% Eastern Mediterranean, 10% Northern Italy, 7% Northern and Central Europe, 3% Ashkenazi Jewish
DNA.land: 73% Balkan, 19% South/Central European, 6.8% Mediterranean Islander, 1.2% Ambiguous
Eurogenes K13: 1 East Med 27.25, 2 West Med 21.02, 3 North Atlantic 17.79, 4 Baltic 17.75, 5 West Asian 10.42, 6 Red Sea 4.28, 7 East Asian 0.81, 8 Siberian 0.38, 9 Amerinidian 0.29
1 Greek Thessaly 3.12, 2 Central Greek 8.17, 3 East Sicilian 9.06, 4 Bulgarian 9.74
1 50% Ashkenazi +50% Bulgarian @ 3.270355
1 50% Algerian_Jewish +25% Greek_Thessaly +25% Ukrainian @ 2.905472


Me

MyHeritage
: 44.6% Balkan, 41.9% Greek, 5.6% Ashkenazi Jewish , 7.9% North African
Ancestry DNA: 71% Southern Europe (Italy and Greece), 14% Eastern European, 5% Middle Eastern, 4% Caucasian, 2% British , 2% Western Europe, 1% European Jewish, <1% Iberian
23andme: 86 % Balkan (5 dots for Greece, 5 dots for Albania, 2 dots for Macedonia, 1 for Serbia, 1 for Croatia and 1 for Romania), 9 % Italian, 0,4% Eastern European, 0,1 East Asian and Native American, rest: broadly Southern European and unassigned
FTDNA: 100% Southeast Europe
Living DNA: Complete: Aegean 44.1%, Tuscany 13.4%, South Italy 12.3%, North Italy 3.5%, France 8%, Germanic 2.4%, Scandinavia 1.8%, East Balkans 5.5%, West Balkans 1.6%, Pannonia 1.5%, Northeast Europe 1.3%, Great Britain and Ireland 4.5%, England and Wales 4.5%
Cautious:  Aegean 44.1%, Tuscany-related ancestry 36%, Northeast Europe-related ancestry 10%, North Italy-related ancestry 3.5%, Europe (unassigned) 6.3%
Geneplaza: Greek-Albanian 45.5%, Sicilian 43.8%, Eastern Slavic 10.7%
DNA.land: Balkan 49%, South/Central European 45%, North Slavic 3.9%, Ambiguous 1.5%, Central Indoeuropean 1.1%
Eurogenes K13: East_Med 25.18, West_Med, 21.67, Baltic 18.21, North_Atlantic 16.97, West_Asian 12.62, Red_Sea 3.75, East_Asian 1.20
1 Greek_Thessaly @ 3.666719, 2 Central_Greek @ 9.449551, 3 Bulgarian @ 10.079420
50% Bulgarian +50% Central_Greek @ 3.605400
50% Bulgarian +25% Central_Greek +25% East_Sicilian @ 3.551438

Any thoughts or help in interpreting the results would be more than welcome! Also, if someone wouldn't mind posting their own results from some company/companies, this could be interesting for me too! I am not sure I have a clear image of how Serbian autosomal results can look like.

Thank you in advance!

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« Одговор #1 послато: Август 10, 2018, 01:42:46 поподне »
Also, if someone wouldn't mind posting their own results from some company/companies, this could be interesting for me too! I am not sure I have a clear image of how Serbian autosomal results can look like.

Thank you in advance!

Here you can see results from forum members and Serb results in general.

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« Одговор #2 послато: Август 10, 2018, 01:52:49 поподне »
Thank you! I'll take a look now!

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« Одговор #3 послато: Август 10, 2018, 02:43:45 поподне »
Atlantishe, I already looked at some of the threads and they are very interesting. In the thread about MyHeritage, I noticed someone wrote that the "Balkan" category of MyHeritage, is more characteristic for Southern Slavs rather than Greeks and Albanians. In fact, it is a little surprising that I get almost 45% Balkan and somewhat less Greek at MyHeritage (almost 42%). My mother from Epirus gets around 34% Balkan and almost 60% Greek. My dad who comes from the islands gets 0% Balkan. Do you agree that the Balkan category there is connected more to South Slavs? I have noticed that even on Gedmatch I get slightly more Baltic than my mother and I am usually a few positions closer to Slavic nations than my mom. So maybe these results of MyHeritage are indicative of this small difference. I don't know.
The other thing that surprises me a little is that my father's results also contain a Slavic signature, let's say. He comes from the islands and I wouldn't have expected that. It surprises me also that at 23andme he gets more dots for Macedonia, Serbia, Croatia and Romania than me. My mother has not tested there in order to compare. It even makes me think that he must have some Slavic ancestor we don't know of. In the case of my mother and me, it is more understandable because of the Slavic settlements and invasions in Epirus (Vajunites, Bulgarians, Serbians).
What do you think?
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« Одговор #4 послато: Август 10, 2018, 03:29:06 поподне »
My dad too consistently gets some Slavic percentages. For example:
-3,3 Eastern European and 1,1 Baltic (MyHeritage)
- 12% Europe East (Ancestry DNA)
- 61,7 Balkan at 23andme (5 dots Greece, 4 dots Albania and  3 dots Macedonia, 2 dots Serbia, 2 dots Croatia, 2 dots Romania)
- 4,1 Eastern European (Southern Slavic) (Geneplaza)
Etc.
Plus his Slavic admixtures at the Gedmatch oracles.
Recently he was contacted by a distant DNA relative at MyHeritage who belongs to the Slavophone Greeks of (Greek) Macedonia. Who knows, maybe one of his ancestors had simply married to someone coming from the Slavophone areas of Greece and that's how his percentages can be explained. Or it is due to something historical dating from the Middle Ages.
Another thought is that he could have had ancestors from Kephalonia that in the past belonged to the Kephalonian community of Romania. If this is the case (some of his family surnames exist among the various surnames in this community) then we could also have some Romanian ancestor we did not know of.
In my mother's case it must be more clearly because of the history of our region in Epirus and the Slavic presence during the Middle Ages. And in this case the Albanian admixture is also very considerable (and higher than the Slavic, it is also more recent historically).
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« Одговор #5 послато: Август 10, 2018, 07:30:29 поподне »
Atlantishe, I already looked at some of the threads and they are very interesting. In the thread about MyHeritage, I noticed someone wrote that the "Balkan" category of MyHeritage, is more characteristic for Southern Slavs rather than Greeks and Albanians. In fact, it is a little surprising that I get almost 45% Balkan and somewhat less Greek at MyHeritage (almost 42%). My mother from Epirus gets around 34% Balkan and almost 60% Greek. My dad who comes from the islands gets 0% Balkan. Do you agree that the Balkan category there is connected more to South Slavs? I have noticed that even on Gedmatch I get slightly more Baltic than my mother and I am usually a few positions closer to Slavic nations than my mom. So maybe these results of MyHeritage are indicative of this small difference. I don't know.
The other thing that surprises me a little is that my father's results also contain a Slavic signature, let's say. He comes from the islands and I wouldn't have expected that. It surprises me also that at 23andme he gets more dots for Macedonia, Serbia, Croatia and Romania than me. My mother has not tested there in order to compare. It even makes me think that he must have some Slavic ancestor we don't know of. In the case of my mother and me, it is more understandable because of the Slavic settlements and invasions in Epirus (Vajunites, Bulgarians, Serbians).
What do you think?
I personally doesn't take commercial calculators for too serious, especially MyHeritage's.

It's true that their ''Balkan'' category is based on South Slavic component, when ''Greek'' is based on Greeks and Albanians.

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-3,3 Eastern European and 1,1 Baltic (MyHeritage)
- 12% Europe East (Ancestry DNA)
- 61,7 Balkan at 23andme (5 dots Greece, 4 dots Albania and  3 dots Macedonia, 2 dots Serbia, 2 dots Croatia, 2 dots Romania)
- 4,1 Eastern European (Southern Slavic) (Geneplaza)

Yes, this definitely could mean that because he's getting components characteristic for Slavs on every calculator that you have posted. It's even well known that Norhern Greeks plott more to the north on pca's than Greek Islanders and the others. The question is how  old is that link with (South) Slavs.
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« Одговор #6 послато: Август 10, 2018, 09:12:02 поподне »
Yes, that's true, thank you!

Yes, in this way, my mother who comes from Northwestern Greece (Epirus) does plot closer to Southern Slavs than my father who is an islander. On this level, my own estimates are more similar to those of my mother.

In the case of my mother's ancestry the slightly elevated Slavic admixture could be more easily explained in terms of the history of our village (Tsarkovista/Tserkovista, in 1928 renamed to Ekklisohori). It is supposed to have been a Slavic settlement (Vajunite most probably), then later on it was conquered by the Bulgarians and even later by the Serbs, before the Turks kicked in ;-) There are many Slavic elements that still survive in the area, about which I talked in this other thread I started (ranging from macro- and microtoponyms to words in the everyday vocabulary, to the unofficial local female surnames ending in -ova, to even our local accent, I would think, and some of the local people's physiognomies ;) ). Still, the Slavic percentages are not the highest, like in Greek Macedonia (or even Thrace?), because as I understand, the Slavic admixture in the case of these areas in Epirus has been an even older one. Our village specifically was a Slavic settlement of the second half of the 9th century at the earliest, because of its name (Tserkovista) implying that the Slavs had already been christianized. But other villages and areas can be originating from even earlier Slavic settlements, after which the Slavs became gradually assimilated.

However, in the case of my father, who is an Ionian and Aegean islander, I did not expect the Slavic admixture. As I wrote before, I of course do not know if they are due to some relatively recent ancestors that we do not know of (eg. a Slavophone Greek Macedonian? a Romanian? other?), and/or due to some historical settlement too (Kefalonia has a few Slavic toponyms too  ;) ). In Kea (Aegean Island where my father comes from for the other half), there was definitely an Arvanite settlement (also in Kephalonia for that matter), but I don't think that the Slavs had reached it (?).

Indeed, all three of us (me and my parents) have an even closer proximity to Albanians (me the most- this is particularly evident in our LM gentics reports), which could be explained according to me through the existence of Arvanite ancestry on many sides. One branch of my mom's family is definitely Arvanite (they had been Souliots in the past before emigrating to our village). But I think that our Arvanite ancestry is even more extensive than what we already know.

On the level of DNA relatives, my parents and I have loads of relatives from Albania, Southern Slavic countries and even some Northern Slavic and Baltic countries. This also must be significant, right?

My mom also has Vlach ancestry (2 different branches of her family). In fact I have even discovered some distant Vlach dna connections in the Balkans (one belongs to the Morlacchi of Montenegro-Croatia-Slovenia).

I find it interesting that Geneplaza gives my mother 11.8% Eastern Slavic (Ukrainian, Belorussian) and me 10.7% Eastern Slavic too. My dad gets 4.1% South Slavic. I am not sure if it is accurate but it seems interesting.

Anyway, I enjoy this "detective" work about ancestry and genealogy. :-) 

Thank you very much for your help! :-)



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« Одговор #7 послато: Август 11, 2018, 09:43:34 поподне »
we're impatiently waiting on your dad's Y-DNA results ;)

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« Одговор #8 послато: Август 11, 2018, 09:52:13 поподне »
Hehe ;), we too!!

I'll let you know, as soon as I get them! :-)

Speaking of which, do you know something about their waiting times? Somebody here had mentioned that they can be pretty quick, if I remember right.

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« Одговор #9 послато: Август 13, 2018, 11:20:49 пре подне »
My dad's results at 23andme got updated! Maybe mine will follow... :-)

His results now:

European
92.0%
Balkan
54.4%
Greece
Italian
29.9%
Italy
Eastern European
1.4%
Broadly Southern European
6.3%
Western Asian & North African
7.3%
Western Asian
6.8%
Turkey
Broadly Western Asian & North African
0.5%
Sub-Saharan African
0.1%
Senegambian & Guinean
0.1%
Unassigned
0.5%

Also his dots changed a bit too: Greece 5, Albania 5 (like myself), Macedonia 3, Serbia 2, Croatia 2, Romania 2, Italy 1, Turkey 1.

I recently read that Kefalonia which was under Venetian rule from 1500-1797 was very underpopulated like the other Ionian islands too and that's why the Venetians brought Roman Catholic populations from their own region of Terraferma (Venezia-Friuli etc) and of Greek Orthodox ones from their quests of Stato da Mar. Maybe that's how his high Italian can be explained.