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Забава / Одг: Рок и поп музика

« Последња порука НикПав послато данас у 06:44:27 пре подне »

Коначно нађох певача да отпева моју песмуљицу о умирућим селима:

https://soundcloud.com/ni-pa-731683674/sunce-na-istoku/s-wqSJu0NWIbx?si=783ff7fe2f934369ad34ce8f3e1766df&utm_source=clipboard&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=social_sharing

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Аутосомална ДНК / Одг: ILLUSTRATIVE DNA

« Последња порука kocovic послато данас у 02:41:48 пре подне »

Ценим да јесу, али не драстично.  Вероватно су максимално  имали  неких 10 до 15%  више словенске аутосомалне генетике него данашњи становници наведених области. Као шпто смо видели мешање је уследило практично одмах по доласку Словена на ове просторе.

Ово су узорци тог Пољака, и додао сам своје координате

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Аутосомална ДНК / Одг: ILLUSTRATIVE DNA

« Последња порука Христифор послато данас у 02:30:21 пре подне »

I Srednjevekovni stanovnici Duklje/Zete CG su bili drugačiji od ovih danas, a verovatno i Raške?

Ценим да јесу, али не драстично.  Вероватно су максимално  имали  неких 10 до 15%  више словенске аутосомалне генетике него данашњи становници наведених области. Као шпто смо видели мешање је уследило практично одмах по доласку Словена на ове просторе.

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Аутосомална ДНК / Одг: ILLUSTRATIVE DNA

« Последња порука kocovic послато данас у 01:52:06 пре подне »

Координате за Глеба Свјатославича, кнеза Минска из 11. века:

Ukraine_Viking_o.SG:VK542_noUDG.SG,0.120652,0.123895,0.060716,0.047158,0.023697,0.010598,0.00705,0.006231,-0.004295,-0.016037,-0.001786,-0.004496,0.013974,0.026148,-0.016015,-0.003315,-0.016559,-0.002534,0.005405,0.003752,-0.001872,0.002844,0.006532,-0.006627,0.006945

Distance to:   Ukraine_Viking_o.SG:VK542_noUDG.SG
0.03004477   Ukrainian_Lviv
0.03306808   Ukrainian_Zakarpattia
0.03457138   Ukrainian_Sumy
0.03523050   Moldovan_o
0.03530772   Russian_Orel

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Аутосомална ДНК / Одг: ILLUSTRATIVE DNA

« Последња порука kocovic послато данас у 01:45:31 пре подне »

Такође два Хрвата. Један словенског профила и један "Римљанин" (мада вероватно Грк из Анадолије + Римљанин):

Croatia_Medieval,0.113823,0.1459822,0.0032998,-0.0276972,0.0238508,-0.0135958,0.0017038,0.0023075,0.0009205,0.0190435,0.0003248,0.0075308,-0.012562,-0.004163,-0.0074985,0.010972,0.0166565,-0.0024705,0.003048,-0.0015008,-0.0042738,0.0017,0.000462,0.0028617,-0.0017962
Croatia_Medieval_o,0.124067,0.141159,0.050157,0.024548,0.038161,0.015897,0.004935,0.012692,0.007567,-0.012939,0,-0.005995,0.02111,0.01968,-0.021444,-0.010209,-0.007823,0.003167,0.005028,-0.009755,-0.002121,-0.003215,0.002588,-0.001566,-0.005029

Distance to:   Croatia_Medieval_o
0.03360476   Croatian
0.03411449   Slovenian
0.03693347   Bosnian
0.03720692   Ukrainian_Zakarpattia
0.03793086   Moldovan


Distance to:   Croatia_Medieval
0.02076722   Italian_Umbria
0.02338683   Greek_Izmir
0.02367094   Italian_Lazio
0.02470960   Greek_Cyclades_Kea
0.02474806   Italian_Molise

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Аутосомална ДНК / Одг: ILLUSTRATIVE DNA

« Последња порука kocovic послато данас у 01:37:38 пре подне »

У односу на модерне популације:

Distance to:   Serbia_Sirmium_Ottoman.SG
0.01765510   Ukrainian_Zakarpattia
0.01921868   Slovenian
0.02087340   Croatian
0.02105701   Hungarian
0.02456760   Slovakian

Distance to:   BosniaHerzegovina_Medieval:I19561
0.02854812   Ukrainian_Lviv
0.03218615   Ukrainian_Sumy
0.03432099   Polish
0.03500256   Ukrainian_Zhytomyr
0.03624666   Russian_Orel

Distance to:   Montenegro_Doclea_Roman.SG
0.01510408   Bosnian
0.01781681   Croatian
0.01999543   Slovenian
0.02166019   Serbian
0.02171384   Montenegrin

Distance to:   Montenegro_Doclea_Roman_oAegean.SG
0.03068871   Italian_Marche
0.03120410   Italian_Lazio
0.03256886   Italian_Molise
0.03309379   Italian_Tuscany
0.03322579   Italian_Umbria

На основу овога делује да је ипак Дукљанин са Грчким профилом сличнији античким Илирима или Трачанима.

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Аутосомална ДНК / Одг: ILLUSTRATIVE DNA

« Последња порука kocovic послато данас у 01:33:37 пре подне »

Postoji li igde i jedan srpski rezultat iz srednjeg veka?
Takođe mi nije jasna priča oko ovog dukljanskog slovena, još koliko sam video piše da je srednjevekovni uzorak?
Da li bi to značilo da je na prostoru Cg u srednjem veku živelo znatno više ,,slovensko" stanovništvo od današnjeg prosečnog Srbina?

Срем након 15. века:

Serbia_Sirmium_Ottoman.SG:R3906.SG,0.125205,0.129988,0.053928,0.043282,0.032314,0.006693,0.012926,0.007615,0.001023,-0.008747,0.001949,-0.008393,0.008028,0.017203,-0.011401,0.004906,0.002868,-0.0019,0.002137,0.001376,0.002496,-0.003215,-0.001602,-0.004097,-0.003952
Serbia_Sirmium_Ottoman.SG:R6737.SG,0.125205,0.132019,0.05506,0.04199,0.046778,0.014781,0.012221,0.006231,0.000818,0.000547,-0.004709,-0.005095,0.006392,0.016652,-0.024294,-0.000796,0.005607,0.002534,0.002137,0.004377,-0.00287,-0.006183,-0.000739,0.001807,0.001676
Serbia_Sirmium_Ottoman.SG:R9662.SG,0.126344,0.126941,0.059208,0.04199,0.045239,0.004183,0.005405,0.006923,-0.002659,-0.009841,-0.009419,-0.004196,0.003865,0.013625,-0.0057,-0.002387,0.007041,0.00228,0.012193,0.013506,-0.004866,-0.005935,0.001725,0.000482,0.005389

Просек:

Serbia_Sirmium_Ottoman.SG,0.1255847,0.1296493,0.0560653,0.0424207,0.0414437,0.0085523,0.010184,0.006923,-0.0002727,-0.0060137,-0.0040597,-0.0058947,0.006095,0.0158267,-0.0137983,0.0005743,0.005172,0.0009713,0.005489,0.0064197,-0.0017467,-0.005111,-0.0002053,-0.0006027,0.0010377

Чини ми се да су ово узорци који су користишћени на Илустративе ДНА.

Босна и Херцеговина средњи век:

BosniaHerzegovina_Medieval:I19561,0.126344,0.131003,0.065242,0.05168,0.030775,0.02761,0.009635,0.009692,-0.007363,-0.010752,-0.005846,-0.002248,0.004757,0.030552,-0.010858,-0.006099,-0.015255,-0.001394,0.006536,-0.009004,-0.008859,0.000124,0.015529,0.001325,0.002036

Нажалост за Црну Гору (период Дукље) нисам нашао ништа осим два узорка из римског доба:

Montenegro_Doclea_Roman_oAegean.SG,0.117238,0.157407,0.015462,-0.032946,0.018773,-0.012829,0.00376,-0.002538,0,0.029887,-0.005846,0.002997,-0.017245,0.003853,-0.010858,-0.017767,-0.002086,0.003927,0.004525,-0.012256,-0.001996,0.008903,-0.003081,-0.003012,-0.002395
Montenegro_Doclea_Roman.SG,0.1302136,0.1397368,0.049403,0.0257108,0.0304054,0.015841,0.004277,0.007015,-0.0029862,-0.0036084,-0.0012666,-0.0035668,0.0007434,0.012854,-0.0116994,0.0012994,0.0118388,0.0014696,0.0054052,-0.001876,-0.0072124,-0.003215,0.0025386,-0.0022654,0.0002634

Један са Грчким профилом, за другог нисам сигуран.

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Аутосомална ДНК / Одг: ILLUSTRATIVE DNA

« Последња порука barbarylion послато данас у 01:22:35 пре подне »

Ово су координате за Албанце након средњег века и средњевековне Македонце
Средњевековни Македонци можда и нису били баш овако северни будући да је ово координата једне жене из Битоља која је живела око 1000. године нове ере. Што се тиче Албанаца, у питању су 5 узорака из тумула Бардхоц, отприлике 15 км североисточно од данашњег Кукса и 20 км југозападно од Призрена. Ово су њихове координате појединачно:
ово "Albania_Modern" звучи збуњујуће али тако је назвао тај Пољак који избацује координате. Иначе су из периода од између 1400. и 1700. године нове ере.

Postoji li igde i jedan srpski rezultat iz srednjeg veka?
Takođe mi nije jasna priča oko ovog dukljanskog slovena, još koliko sam video piše da je srednjevekovni uzorak?
Da li bi to značilo da je na prostoru Cg u srednjem veku živelo znatno više ,,slovensko" stanovništvo od današnjeg prosečnog Srbina?

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Аутосомална ДНК / Одг: ILLUSTRATIVE DNA

« Последња порука kocovic послато данас у 01:06:31 пре подне »

Oко 30% прото-Словенске генетике, типично за савремене Македонце.

Средњовековни Македонци су имали већи удео и били су аутосомално ближи данашњим Србима него данашњим Македонцима.

Ово су координате за Албанце након средњег века и средњевековне Македонце

Macedonia_Medieval,0.117238,0.131003,0.043369,0.010659,0.032006,-0.00251,0.011986,0.002308,0.003068,-0.00164,-0.005521,-0.003747,-0.005649,0.013074,-0.015201,-0.014187,-0.008736,0.009248,0.004399,-5.00E-04,0.003244,0.001978,0.007641,-0.006025,0.000479
Albania_Modern,0.1220184,0.1486734,0.014934,-0.0221578,0.0270204,-0.0087572,0.002491,0.0023998,0.0008998,0.0174582,0.0027282,0.0060248,-0.0076114,0.006936,-0.0207924,0.0010872,0.0178106,0.00038,0.0054804,-0.0047522,-0.0116046,0.0032892,0.0015038,0.0046272,-0.0064664

Средњевековни Македонци можда и нису били баш овако северни будући да је ово координата једне жене из Битоља која је живела око 1000. године нове ере. Што се тиче Албанаца, у питању су 5 узорака из тумула Бардхоц, отприлике 15 км североисточно од данашњег Кукса и 20 км југозападно од Призрена. Ово су њихове координате појединачно:

Albania_Modern:I14685,0.127482,0.146236,0.023759,-0.020672,0.028621,-0.008088,0.005875,0.000692,-0.000205,0.004191,0.004709,0.000899,-0.002973,0.017478,-0.019815,-0.000265,0.016298,-0.002154,0.00905,-0.000625,-0.008735,0.000247,-0.002588,0.006025,-0.003952
Albania_Modern:I14686,0.1161,0.152329,0.00792,-0.028747,0.019696,-0.009761,0.001175,0.003461,-0.003886,0.023873,-0.002111,0.014987,-0.010852,0.009083,-0.028366,0.001458,0.009388,0.003294,0.008925,-0.006128,-0.011729,0.008532,0.002958,0.008194,-0.008622
Albania_Modern:I14687,0.120652,0.152329,0.004148,-0.020672,0.03416,-0.006136,0.000235,0.006692,0.003068,0.026424,0.009906,0.002698,-0.008771,0.002064,-0.021715,0.005569,0.028424,0.002407,0.002388,-0.007629,-0.016346,0.007543,0.007765,0.006868,-0.01892
Albania_Modern:I15706,0.119514,0.14319,0.018856,-0.014535,0.023389,-0.003904,-0.002115,0.006231,0.005522,0.005832,0.003573,0.004646,0.004162,0.009771,-0.015879,-0.002387,0.005346,0.000127,0.00088,-5.00E-04,-0.005116,-0.00643,0.003451,-0.002771,-0.002275
Albania_Modern:I15707,0.126344,0.149283,0.019987,-0.026163,0.029236,-0.015897,0.007285,-0.005077,0,0.026971,-0.002436,0.006894,-0.019623,-0.003716,-0.018187,0.001061,0.029597,-0.001774,0.006159,-0.008879,-0.016097,0.006554,-0.004067,0.00482,0.001437

ово "Albania_Modern" звучи збуњујуће али тако је назвао тај Пољак који избацује координате. Иначе су из периода од између 1400. и 1700. године нове ере.

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Аутосомална ДНК / Одг: ILLUSTRATIVE DNA

« Последња порука ДушанВучко послато Децембар 09, 2023, 11:23:33 поподне »

Oко 30% прото-Словенске генетике, типично за савремене Македонце.

Средњовековни Македонци су имали већи удео и били су аутосомално ближи данашњим Србима него данашњим Македонцима.

Како можемо да знамо да је у средњем веку у области данашње Македоније био већи словенски утицај него данас? Мени је логично да је и тада тамо доминирао старобалкански елемент над словенским и да је данашње стање резултат тога ( да је тако како ти претпостављаш, значило би да су неки старобалканци касније населили Македонију, па је потиснут већински словенски елемент). Мислим да данашња аутосомална слика разних балканских области је прилично слична са истим областима у средњем веку (тј. да се она стабилизовала већ пар векова после доласка Словена и да је таква до данас. Те разлике које данас имамо на Балкану у односу словенске и старобалканске, једино могу да укажу на густину насељености старобалканаца у моменту доласка Словена. Тамо где је већи удео словенске генетике, тамо је било ређе насељено старобалканцима, и обрнуто (данашње стање је резултат бројчаног односа Словена и старобалканаца у моменту доласка Словена у датим областима Балкана, а аутосомална стабилизација се вероватно десила пар векова после шестог и седмог века и мислим да од тада до данас имамо константу)