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« послато: Јануар 05, 2019, 02:26:14 поподне »
Ових дана мом оцу (I2 PH 908, dys 561=15) на FF (Family findеr) се појавило једно генетско поклапање - које може припадати оним тзв "лажним" (бар тако кажу они који се више од мене разумеју у аутосомалну генетику) али може припадати и оним правим поклапањима али са "скромним" заједничким генетским наслеђем. То поклапање се јавило још код једног Србина (И2 ПХ 908, dys 561 =16).

Наравно, не знамо са које стране је дошло то наслеђе (да ли по мушкој или женској линији, можда обојици по мушкој линији  - у време док није дошло до мутације на dys =561 у оквиру I2 PH 908, а уколико је по женским линијама ни то није безначајно).

У питању је презиме Zerby (овај завршeтак у је можда додат у УСА).

Мислим да је реч о врло далекој вези. Али можда драгоценој. Мом оцу се јавља на првом хромозому са малим исечком. И ово другом то презиме се јавља, такође, са  једним малим исечком.


Ради се о усељеницима у УСА још у 18 -19 веку из  Пруског краљевства и Хабзбруршке монархије односно данашње Немачке. У УСА их налазимо у
 Пенсилванији.

https://www.geni.com/people/Adam-Zerby/6000000001788624119

Adam Zerby (1811 Gregg Twp., Centre, Pennsylvania, USA - 1881 Centre, Pennsylvania, USA)


https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/164609516/aaron-zerby

Аaron Zerby 1838-1898, Pennsylvania


Оно се јавља и у форми Zerbe.

Шта кажу ови  Zerbe о свом прeзимeну и порeклу?

https://www.houseofnames.com/zerbe-family-crest

The roots of the distinguished German surname Zerbe can be traced back to the region of Saxony. The name is derived from the place name "Zerben," a town near the city of Magdeburg, and would most likely have been initially borne by a resident of this area. Alternatively, the name may be derived from the Germanic "serbe," a term which refers to the Slav-speaking minority in Eastern Germany.


Zerbe Spelling Variations

Spelling variations of this family name include: Zerbe, Zerben, Serbe, Serben, Syrbe, Syrben and others.




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« Одговор #1 послато: Јануар 05, 2019, 02:42:26 поподне »
Не би требало занемаривати Annales regni Francorum, где су описане многе активности наших предака, посебно у Сакској.  :)
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« Одговор #2 послато: Јануар 05, 2019, 02:49:46 поподне »
"Origin of the Zerbeys : name traced to ninth century"

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Origin Of The Zerbeys

NAME TRACED TO NINTH CENTURY


HE Zerbes were originally Norsemen and natives of ancient Scandinavia, a general name given in the early centuries to the great tract of country north of German}^, comprising Denmark, Norvv^ay and Sweden and including Iceland and the Danish Archipelago.

Their tribal name, like the Gauls, Goths, Normans, Teutons and others of the early races was "Servi" and their coat of arms a knight with the heraldic device, "To Serve," emblazoned on it.

They were the retainers of the Duke of Holstein, ruler of the Princely German House of that name, which includes the royal line of Denmark and other collateral royal branches.

Holstein, on the North Sea, a duchy of North Germany, belonged to Denmark, but is now an adjunct of Prussia and known through its alliance with Schleswig as the province
of Schleswig-Holstein, its limits being circumscribed through the frequent changes of the boundaries of Northern Europe, brought about by the Roman conquerors.

From the reign of Charlemagne, in Eight Hundred A. D., who was then the most powerful monarch in all Europe and whose empire extended from the Atlantic to the Save, the
Theiss, the Oder and the lower Vistula rivers, from the Baltic Sea to the Ebro and from the North Sea and the Eider to central Italy; the power of the independent dukes, of the
small duchies was almost equal to that of the reigning sovereign.

In some instances these nobles were wealthier than their rulers. Their castles were magnificent in their fortress-like proportions, they maintained a sovereignty over large armies of vassals and retainers and if their ruler could not compel their obedience, they made war and peace upon their own terms and rendered only a nominal service to their reigning sovereign. Of such, was the Duke of Holstein.

In the ninth century a race of pirates began to inflict great suffering upon the European coasts. They sailed up the navigable rivers of the German Ocean and ravaged the
countries along their shores and the North German free-hold- ers were despoiled of their homes and their possessions by the marauders. The Norsemen became, more or less, a
nomadic race. The frequency with which they made war upon the southern countries and weaker principalities led them into frequent migratory expeditions and when Paris was
besieged, in A. D. 885, Charles, "the Fat," bribed them to withdraw their forces instead of opening a conflict with them.

In 894 A. D., when Arnulf made war upon the Norsemen and afterward entered Italy, to settle the quarrel between the rival claimants to the crown, some of the defeated Norse-
men accompanied his army ; among them were some of the Servi (pronounced Sarve, two syllables), who remained in that country and settled, and the name became "Zerbi."
Others settled in the duchy of Hanover, where it was known as "Zarva," but the greater number, after participating in the wars that led up to the crowning of the German Kings as "Roman Emperors," in 962, some of these northern feudal Servi migrated to middle Europe, uniting with the Galicians, where they became powerful and noted for their vigor of frame, valor in war and love of freedom.

About the tenth century they received a grant of land from the Emperor Leo VI, situated on the Danube River, which they proceeded to cultivate, establishing their feudal
rights as freeholders, only pausing in their career as agriculturists, to take up the sword and lay aside the plough share, to defend their little independent kingdom in the nth
century, when the Greeks invaded it and again when the Turks reduced it and in the frequent insurrections that followed until it became a free and independent State under the protection of the great Powers. The Austrian-Servian crisis, when Montenegro and Servia disagreed and when King Peter, of Servia, desired to be considered the head of all the Servians and Prince Nicholas, of Montenegro, proposed to constitute
himself "Czar" of the two little States, Austria was obliged to interfere to preserve their neutrality. Recent historical events, 1914-15, show the Servians still resenting all efforts on the part of other powers to absorb their principality into a more powerful dynasty (June i, 1915.),

(Note — There is a town in Austria-Hungary named
"Szarvas" (Szahrvas) on the Koros, 22 miles northeast of
Csongrad, population 18,917.)

Before the birth of Christ the Thracian or Illyrian races inhabited all the country south of Austria-Hungary and when the nomadic tribes of Servians came from Galicia, a province
of Spain at the extremity of the Iberian peninsula, and gave it their name, they were converted to Christianity. In 636 A. D. others came and the land was known as Galicia, part of it now (1914) being a province of Austria and known as Galicia-Lodomeria.

After the bloody wars, 1459, between Hungary and Turkey, the Servians were freed. The land given them by Emperor Leo VI in the tenth century was erected into an independent kingdom by Pope Honorius III in 1217. It was not until 1815 that the country secured its
independence under the protection of Austria and Russia.

The religion of the Servians is that of the Greek Catholic church. The population of Servia is four million.




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« Одговор #3 послато: Јануар 05, 2019, 02:57:08 поподне »
"Origin of the Zerbeys : name traced to ninth century"

https://archive.org/stream/originofzerbeysn00elli/originofzerbeysn00elli_djvu.txt


The name Zerbe affords an interesting etymological study and is spelled in sixteen or more different ways, according to the nomenclature of the country in Europe from which the laimant hailed, or, as Dr. Egle, State Historian, says of the 30,000 immigrants, that, "their names appeared on the ship rolls according to the intelligence of the ship masters."

 These Swedish ship masters did not speak English and were phonetic spellers, hence the many changes from the original Sevier, Servier, of France, and the Serfas, Serfass, Sarva, Zarvar, of Switzerland and Sweden, to Serwe, Surfass, Serwes,
Serwies, Zarva, Zerwe, Serb, Serbe, Serwitz, Zerb, Surface, Zerver, (the "e" having the sound of "ah"). All these variations in spelling are not important, they are all from the same origin, "Servi" (Sar-ve) and are all of the same name.

(Note : — When one of the Sevier, Zarva, families died they sent a mortuary notice to the representative families of that name throughout the United States, a Huguenot custom brought with them from the old world.)

The Sevier (e, as in ah) and Zarvar, Zarva, being the nearest phonetically and best translations of the original name.

The Virginia, North Carolina and Tennessee branch adhered to the French name Sevier, while those of Pennsylvania and their descendants in other states adopted the Swiss spelling.

The Zerbes of Berks County and the southern part of Schuylkill County were, until a decade or two ago, known as "Zarvas," the present generation adopting the anglicized
"Zerbe," or changing the spelling of the latter according to taste.

The history of the Zerbes in the United States begins with that of the three immigrants, John Phillip, Mardin and Lorenz, who sailed from Rotterdam the day before Christmas, 1709, for the Province of New York, in the English colonies, of North America. They came on the same vessel with John Conrad Weiser.

(The history of the Zerbe colonists is involved in the preceding chapters. Part I.)

John Phillip Zarva (Zerbe) joined one of the four companies of 300 men who were part of the expedition in 171 1 against Montreal under General Nichols and the de-
fense of Albany against the French, only one year after his arrival in his adopted country. John Phillip Zerbe was of the village of Annesburg, on the east side of the Hudson
river. New York. (State of New York, Report of the State Historian, Colonial Series, Vol. i, p 442.) (Part i.)

There is no record to be found of his having come to Pennsylvania, and it is believed that he remained in New York for a time, subsequently removing with the German
colonists under Samuel Waldo, 1732, to Broad Bay, Maine, and founding that branch of the Zerbes, now numerous in that state and the Canadas.

(Henry Cady, Secretary, H. F. Kingsley, President, of the Genealogical and Biographical Society, of Schoharie, N. Y., writes the author thus :)

"The church records of Albany County go back only to 1737. There was a Zeibert and a Ziebel but no Zerbe, in this county. I have the records of all of the old families."


Moravian Historical Society, Vol. IV, sketch of the Moravian Settlement at Broad Bay, Maine, by John W. Jordan, President of the Pennsylvania Historical Society, Philadelphia, gives a succinct and interesting account of the perils and hardships endured by these colonists from the above date to 1769, when they scattered to North Carolina, other states and the Canadas.

In 1863 when Andrew G. Curtin, the great war governor, was a candidate for a second term in the gubernatorial chair of the State of Pennsylvania, Hannibal Hamlin, Vice Presi-
dent of the United States during the first term of the Abraham Lincoln administration, was one of the speakers at a political gathering at Harrisburg. After the meeting was
over a reception was held at the capitol in honor of the distinguished guest.

Charles A. Zerbe, deceased, a prominent citizen, of Lewistown, Mifflin County, was among those presented to the speaker, who said, as he took Mr. Zerbe by the hand : "Zerbe, that is a familiar name to me, we have many Zerbes in the State of Maine."

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« Одговор #4 послато: Јануар 05, 2019, 02:58:42 поподне »
"Origin of the Zerbeys : name traced to ninth century"

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FIRST GENERATION

Martin'^ Zerbe, Martin Zarva, (Sevier), Huguenot, was of the more than 1000 German and French who came to New York from Europe, June 13, 1710, leaving Rotterdam
before Christmas, 1709, and settling in Livingstone Manor and the Schoharie Valley, that State. (The history of the immigrants is found upon a previous page. Part I.) Martin
Zerbe joined the expedition against Canada, July 16, 171 1, in Queen Anne's war. Both he and his brother, John Phillip, were enlisted as volunteers from the village of
Annesburg, New York, in Captain Hartman Windecker's company." (State of New York. Report of the State Historian, Colonial Series, Vol. i, p. 442, Part i.)

He came to the region of the Tulpehocken, Chester County, Pennsylvania, with the thirty-three families who settled in the Schoharie Valley, 1713, coming overland to this state, 1723, from New York. (Part I.)

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« Одговор #5 послато: Јануар 05, 2019, 04:01:49 поподне »
Фамилија Zerbe има свој грб о којeм нисам позвана да говорим јeр сe нe разумeм у хeралдику.

Доминира црвeна на сивој подлози, и главe три црвeна лава. Грeшим ли (да ли су лавови)?

Нe умeм да прeносим слику. ::)

Али, eво шта кажe ова породица о сeби и свом грбу.

http://www.4crests.com/zerbe-coat-of-arms.html

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Zerbe Coat of Arms / Zerbe Family Crest

This surname of ZERBE was a German locational name meaning 'one who came from ZERBEN'; it may also have been a name applied to a SERB one of the Slavic tribe living in Germany.

A Slavonic tribe settled at the invitation of the emperor Heraclius (circa. 513 BC) in the Roman province of Moesia south of the Danube and north of Thrace. SERBIA was a former Balkan kingdom, and since 1919 part of what was Yugoslavia.

Surnames as we know them today were first assumed in Europe from the 11th to the 15th Century. The employment in the use of a second name was a custom that was first introduced from the Normans. They themselves had not long before adopted them. It became, in course of time, a mark of gentler blood, and it was deemed a disgrace for gentlemen to have but one single name, as the meaner sort had. At first the coat of arms was a practical matter which served a function on the battlefield and in tournaments. With his helmet covering his face, and armour encasing the knight from head to foot, the only means of identification for his followers, was the insignia painted on his shield and embroidered on his surcoat, the flowing and draped garment worn over the armour.

Because of the close relationship between the English and German languages, some Germans are able to transform their names to the English form just by dropping a single letter. Many Germans have re-spelt their names in America. A great number of immigrants from Germany settled in Pennsylvania. After the start of the first World War, Germans in great numbers Anglicized their names in an effort to remove all doubt as to their patriotism.

Afterwards some changed back, and then during World War II the problem became acute once more, and the changing started all over again, although not with as much intensity. German or Teutonic heraldry extended its sphere of influence over central Europe and spread into Scandinavia. It is most notable for its design and treatment of crests, most of which reflect the arms in the charge or tinctures (colours) or both, which is unknown in British heraldry.

Teutonic Europe assembled many arms on a single shield, each bearing its corresponding crest on a helmet.