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Possibe Mladen Barac relative
« послато: Јануар 12, 2021, 11:04:15 поподне »
Hello Gary,

yesterday called me Mladen Barac, he said that he is relative to you.
I haven't my computer in time when I spoke with him,
his email address is [email protected]
cell phone number is 098 9057658
Best regards
Sanja

Hi Mladen, Nice to met you. Would you participate in a DNA test, to confirm?

Gary Barach
near Edmonton Canada
Sanja was the professional genealogist from Zagreb
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« Одговор #1 послато: Јануар 17, 2021, 09:03:45 поподне »
Hi Gary,
I am Mladen Barać, born in 1947 in Svračkovo selo, father Dana, mother Anka born the same Barać, born in 1902.
I live in Zagreb, married, have two daughters.
I often visit my place of birth, if you also want to see where your ancestors lived, feel free to contact me.
As for DNA, I agree, but it's expensive here, I'm retired.
Because they only have a few Baraći houses there that I am related to, and probably to you as well.
There has been no one alive there since 1995.

Dear Gary, I would be glad if you could write something more about yourself and if you have a desire to see where your ancestors were born.

Greetings from Mladen and family.


My question is to what Y-DNA test besides Y-FULL700 (not able to afford at this time), what company (23andMe or FTDNA), I would pay for the kit/test.
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« Одговор #2 послато: Јануар 17, 2021, 09:23:47 поподне »
Hi Gary,
I am Mladen Barać, born in 1947 in Svračkovo selo, father Dana, mother Anka born the same Barać, born in 1902.
I live in Zagreb, married, have two daughters.
I often visit my place of birth, if you also want to see where your ancestors lived, feel free to contact me.
As for DNA, I agree, but it's expensive here, I'm retired.
Because they only have a few Baraći houses there that I am related to, and probably to you as well.
There has been no one alive there since 1995.

Dear Gary, I would be glad if you could write something more about yourself and if you have a desire to see where your ancestors were born.

Greetings from Mladen and family.


My question is to what Y-DNA test besides Y-FULL700 (not able to afford at this time), what company (23andMe or FTDNA), I would pay for the kit/test.

Dear Gary,

If you're looking for a test on FTDNA, that would be Y-DNA test on 37 STRs, which costs $119,00.

https://www.familytreedna.com/products/y-dna

Also, you have as a Member of Poreklo option to order Y-DNA test on 23 STRs in
DNA center for genetics in Belgrade with 50% discount (if you are paying, it's 60,00 euros by PayPal).

FTDNA is always better, because you can upgrade your results.



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« Одговор #3 послато: Јануар 17, 2021, 09:31:05 поподне »
"I am Mladen Barać, born in 1947 in Svračkovo selo, father Dana, mother Anka born the same Barać, born in 1902"

My match could be from Ilija born 1902, wife Stojas Vukmirovic born 1897, if the names matched. I would probably use FTDNA, that would be Y-DNA test on 37 STRs, which costs $119,00. Since he is retired, mail directly to Mladen, or pay a member to deliever and pickup. I would pay a member to get Dusan Barac sample.
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« Одговор #4 послато: Фебруар 04, 2021, 07:27:44 поподне »
Kit ordered today, maybe to there in 2 weeks
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« Одговор #5 послато: Април 26, 2021, 02:54:39 пре подне »
   
Mladen Barac Y-DNA37 I-M253 4/25/2021
Next question is to upgrade to?
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« Одговор #6 послато: Април 26, 2021, 09:56:59 пре подне »
   
Mladen Barac Y-DNA37 I-M253 4/25/2021
Next question is to upgrade to?

То BIGY700, it would include Y-DNA111 results as well. And if it is too expensive, then at least Y-DNA111. Suppose that with three Barac's Y-DNA111 results, it would be possible to reconstruct Barac's family line.

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« Одговор #7 послато: Април 26, 2021, 08:11:35 поподне »
Hi Drajver, I ordered Y-111. Thanks Gary
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« Одговор #8 послато: Април 26, 2021, 08:48:30 поподне »
Hi Drajver, I ordered Y-111. Thanks Gary

Hi Gary. If you are admin of FTDNA accounts of both Dusan and Mladen, it would be useful to make them members of Serbian FTDNA project.

https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/serbian-dna-project/about

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« Одговор #9 послато: Април 27, 2021, 01:57:52 пре подне »
Dusan maybe, Mladen doesn't want to do anything except play with his grandchild at the cabin.
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« Одговор #10 послато: Јул 11, 2021, 12:25:06 пре подне »
Waiting on Y-DNA change from M-253 to at least P-109/FGC22034.
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« Одговор #11 послато: Јул 13, 2021, 07:43:19 поподне »
My father (Constantin Munteanu) has taken the FTDNA Y-111 test and was reported as I-M253. Only after purchasing a SNP pack for I-M253 (which was around 100 USD on a sale) his haplogroup was changed to I-P109, and of course to I-PH3895 after purchasing the Big Y test. So, I don't think that the haplogroup for Mladen Barac will be changed by FTDNA without purchasing additional tests.

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« Одговор #12 послато: Јул 14, 2021, 02:21:37 пре подне »
Maybe I should order SNP Pack    I1 - Y3549 (P109) SNP Pack    $119.00    Add and bypass M-253.
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« Одговор #13 послато: Јул 14, 2021, 06:01:41 поподне »
If FTDNA allows you to buy the I-P109 SNP pack for Mladen Barac without first buying the I-M253 SNP pack, then go for it. The resulting haplogroup will be beyond I-P109, but I doubt that it will go as far as I-FGC22045 or its branches. Anyway, it's better than the I-M253 SNP pack which will not go beyond I-P109.

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« Одговор #14 послато: Јул 16, 2021, 06:29:54 поподне »
ary Barach
I was getting a BETTER answer with Y-DNA 67, at least I-P109 haplogroup, don't give that I need a Y-DNA 700 to get a P109 or better.
On 7/16/2021 7:06 AM, Family Tree DNA Helpdesk wrote:
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> Hello Mladeb and Gary,
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> Thank you for contacting FamilyTreeDNA! The Y-111 test like the Y-37 test will give you your basic predicted haplogroup, which in this case is I-M253. To test from this main branch of the haplotree down to the most recent twig, so to speak, you would need to take the Big Y-700.
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> You can look up your Barac matches' terminal SNP I-Y50461 in the Public Haplotree tool to get a rough idea of where your terminal SNP would be on the haplotree but to refine your haplogroup to your terminal SNP you would need a Big Y.
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> We also have Live Chat available on our Contact Us Page!
> Mladeb Barac - Jul 13 2021, 07:33 PM
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> Hi, just wondering when my haplogroup will change from I1-M253 to a more terminal haplogroup?
> Thanks Mladen Barac/Gary Barach (sponsor)
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Thank you for contacting FamilyTreeDNA.
How can I help?
Gary Barach
Hi Connor, have you read my cut and paste?
Connor
I can see that you've pasted an email exchange with Casimir, yes.
What is it that you are asking about in that email?
Gary Barach
When I did my kit# 177090 ydna 67 I was getting at least P109 haplogroup, and now when I did this Ydna 111 Im getting just M-253
Connor
P109 is not a haplogroup prediction provided by a base Y-STR test like the Y-67. If you had a more refined haplogroup before your Big Y, it likely would have come from the additional SNP testing that was ordered shortly after your Y-67 results initially posted.
Gary Barach
So the most refined haplogroup of any ydna test less then Y-full700 will equal to I-M253?
Connor
There are alternative SNP tests that could refine the haplogroup further, the Big Y isn't the only option, but that is the most refined prediction that a base Y-STR test (such as the Y-67 or Y-111) will provide.
Gary Barach
Ill logout of Mladen account and login into my main accout of 177090, and see what I ordered to get my halpogroup groups.
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Connor
You had a Deep Clade test and a Genographic Project conversion after your Y-67 results posted; either could have affected your haplogroup, but neither is currently available today.
Gary Barach
Maybe I should order SNP Pack    I1 - Y3549 (P109) SNP Pack    $119.00    Add and bypass M-253.
Connor
It looks like the P109 SNP is available as a standalone test for $39.
Or, yes, if you're able to find a SNP pack that covers the relevant branch(es), then that is an option as well.
Gary Barach
Next time ill start with a Y-dna 37 or something like that or a different company, no I'm not happy
Connor
I apologize for the disappointment.
Is there anything else I can do for you today?
Gary Barach
Nope, thanks for your time.
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« Одговор #15 послато: Јул 18, 2021, 12:41:27 пре подне »
snp FGC22045 $39.00 ordered
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« Одговор #16 послато: Јул 18, 2021, 07:22:22 поподне »
You've made a good choice with the SNP. But don't think that the money spent on Y-111 was for nothing. Yes, it shows the same generic haplogroup as a much cheaper Y-37 test, but you can see the Y-67 and Y-111 matches, which are important for genealogy reasons.

For example, in the case of my father, he has no Y-111 matches, but has 52 matches on Y-67. From these 52 matches only 7 are from the Balkans. An Y-37 test would have not shown these mostly non-Balkan Y-67 matches and, more importantly, their genetic distance.

Another example, Dusan Barac and Mladen Barac are both Y-12 matches ("exact match") for my father. On Y-25 Dusan Barac has a genetic distance of 1 step and Mladen Barac of 2 steps. On Y-37 only Dusan Barac is a match with a genetic distance of 4 steps. And finally on Y-67 Dusan Barac has a distance of 5 steps and you (Gary Barach) a distance of 7 steps, although you both have the same haplogroup (I-Y50461). If we had ordered only the Y-37 test for my father, you would have not appeared as a Y-DNA match, because according to FTDNA you are not a Y-12, Y-25 or Y-37 match with my father, only a Y-67 match. So, the Y-111 test does bring some new information about Y-DNA matches, at least for some people. But maybe the Y-111 test did not bring much new information compared to an Y-37 test for Mladen Barac, I don't know.

Of course, the best value for the money would be an Y-67 test, which was available some years ago, but was discontinued by FTDNA, who now offers only Y-37 and Y-111 tests.